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[bennett]

Simpson obviously isn't trusted to play, Helender is Injury prone, Balogun will be off to the African nations cup and there's a chance that Goldson will leave in January...

 

 

Mark McDougall

 

@McDougall1994

Understand Rangers have no plans to recall Nikola Katic in the January transfer window. Calvin Bassey's impressive performances at centre back helping make that decision to leave him in Croatia. Full story for @Football_Scot:

 

 

[DMCs]

23 hours ago, bennett said:

Simpson obviously isn't trusted to play, Helender is Injury prone, Balogun will be off to the African nations cup and there's a chance that Goldson will leave in January...

 

 

Mark McDougall

 

@McDougall1994

Understand Rangers have no plans to recall Nikola Katic in the January transfer window. Calvin Bassey's impressive performances at centre back helping make that decision to leave him in Croatia. Full story for @Football_Scot:

 

 

Goldson won't leave in January and I wouldn't be surprised if we signed a centre half this coming month. I doubt Katic will play for us again in all honesty.

[gannonball]

On 27/12/2021 at 23:27, The_Kincardine said:

There should never have been a vote.  The reason the SPFL pays a CEO about £500K per annum is to make clear and consistent decisions rather than organise daft wee ballots.  So we have yet another illogical fudge and this is down to poor leadership.

The SPFL isn’t some PLC it’s a members organisation, of course decisions like this should go to a ballot.

[54_and_counting]

2 hours ago, gannonball said:

The SPFL isn’t some PLC it’s a members organisation, of course decisions like this should go to a ballot.

Tbh decisions like this shouldn't because teams cannot be trusted to vote for the greater good, let's be honest and say absolutely not one team put the fans first, it was always about what was best for the club and just so happens some of the clubs best interests aligned with "looking out for the fans" 

Celtic wanted an early break to try get players back from injury/covid 

Rangers wanted games played because we are flying the now

Teams down the bottom of the league would be glad of probable two less losses before they can get jan transfers in, other teams might well be lookinh at injuries and covid related issues as well

Some like aberdeen likely did it for finances as they hope they can have full crowd for the likes of the rangers game, chances of that now look very unlikely

But because teams put their own interests before the league, we are now in a situation where theres no room for error fixture wise, theres no spaces left at the moment so dundee were fucked over against aberdeen, st mirren shouldnt have had their recent two games go ahead (although they got a point they might not have got in the rearranged games) and in true scottish fashion the worst weather will likely hit post break and cause a rammy with fixtures

If the league board acted on the clubs "vote" as such, then they shouldn't have, if the league board done it by themselves then fucking idiots have themselves to blame when shit hits the fan fixture wise

[gannonball]

1 minute ago, 54_and_counting said:

Tbh decisions like this shouldn't because teams cannot be trusted to vote for the greater good, let's be honest and say absolutely not one team put the fans first, it was always about what was best for the club and just so happens some of the clubs best interests aligned with "looking out for the fans" 

Celtic wanted an early break to try get players back from injury/covid 

Rangers wanted games played because we are flying the now

Teams down the bottom of the league would be glad of probable two less losses before they can get jan transfers in, other teams might well be lookinh at injuries and covid related issues as well

Some like aberdeen likely did it for finances as they hope they can have full crowd for the likes of the rangers game, chances of that now look very unlikely

But because teams put their own interests before the league, we are now in a situation where theres no room for error fixture wise, theres no spaces left at the moment so dundee were fucked over against aberdeen, st mirren shouldnt have had their recent two games go ahead (although they got a point they might not have got in the rearranged games) and in true scottish fashion the worst weather will likely hit post break and cause a rammy with fixtures

If the league board acted on the clubs "vote" as such, then they shouldn't have, if the league board done it by themselves then fucking idiots have themselves to blame when shit hits the fan fixture wise

Some fair points in there tbh but I do don’t believe playing in front of near empty stadiums would have been for the good of the game anyway. Also I don’t think bringing the break forward affects the potential fixture congestion any more really. Having said all that I’ve never really agreed with the winter break anyway as a proper cold snap can happen anywhere from November to march really and it will bite us on the arse eventually.

[54_and_counting]

15 minutes ago, gannonball said:

Some fair points in there tbh but I do don’t believe playing in front of near empty stadiums would have been for the good of the game anyway. Also I don’t think bringing the break forward affects the potential fixture congestion any more really. Having said all that I’ve never really agreed with the winter break anyway as a proper cold snap can happen anywhere from November to march really and it will bite us on the arse eventually.

The ceo (cant believe he's still got that job) basically said theres no more room for fixture moves, and obviously no one likes to see empty stadiums but given the track record of the scottish government handling of covid and football there was a bigger chance of more restrictions post break than less restrictions, maybe they'll surprise us and allow fans back in but going by the enlightened dentists words yesterday they expect it to be worse

So not only could we have near empty or fully empty stadiums again, but absolutely no wriggle room if a massive covid outbreak happens to a team or two, 

I agree about the winter break, given what? 3 years ago the beast from the east (not griffiths) hit around late march, early april lol, fucking scrap it, especially in seasons before international tournaments that start first week in june and a world Cup later in the year lol

[G51]

IMO, it’s entirely correct that the clubs get to vote on decisions like this. It’s how it works in every major league organisation, and I don’t see why it should be any different for us. In fact, it’s even more important for us given how absolutely dire the SPFL’s executive team are.

It’s true that the clubs will always vote for their own self-interest over the collective, or “greater good” if you like. Anyone expecting that to change will be severely disappointed.

The problem with the existing arrangement is two-fold: both the fans and the players are effectively locked out of the decision making process. The players union is very weak, and it has no collective bargaining agreement with the league or the association. Major decisions in the game should not be made without their input, yet they are.

The fans have virtually no say at all, because most clubs are not fan owned. They are owned by capitalists who will always prioritise their pockets over us. Until we have either significant fan ownership of clubs within the league, or a collective body representing supporters (run democratically) then this won’t change. 

Those two flaws are the major issues with decision making in Scotland, and I think they’re unlikely to change any time soon. While these deficits exist, self-interest will always win the day. This doesn’t just apply to the winter break decision, but every major decision the SPFL and SFA make.

[The_Kincardine]

21 hours ago, gannonball said:

The SPFL isn’t some PLC it’s a members organisation, of course decisions like this should go to a ballot.

Silly.  Doncaster is a highly paid CEO whose role is to inspire, direct and, sometimes, to save the organisation from itself.  That he is paid £500K-ish to run a daft wee poll which resulted in an obfuscated lash-up is unacceptable.

[kingjoey]

I see that Rangers have upset Nottingham Forest by claiming that they are the first major European club to have reached their 150 anniversary, or will in 2022, or should it be 2023. Nottingham Forest have won 2 more European Cups than Rangers and are 156 years old. Why do Rangers constantly fiddle figures to make themselves seem better than everyone else?

[Clown Job]

27 minutes ago, kingjoey said:

I see that Rangers have upset Nottingham Forest by claiming that they are the first major European club to have reached their 150 anniversary, or will in 2022, or should it be 2023. Nottingham Forest have won 2 more European Cups than Rangers and are 156 years old. Why do Rangers constantly fiddle figures to make themselves seem better than everyone else?

Insecurity 

Its been particularly bad in recent years, they’re desperate for people to forget about 2012

[Greenlantern]

I see that Rangers have upset Nottingham Forest by claiming that they are the first major European club to have reached their 150 anniversary, or will in 2022, or should it be 2023. Nottingham Forest have won 2 more European Cups than Rangers and are 156 years old. Why do Rangers constantly fiddle figures to make themselves seem better than everyone else?

You need to remember, Rangers were the first major European club to win the Petrofac cup.
They’ve achieved a lot of firsts, nobody can take that away from them.

[Sergeant Wilson]

18 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

Silly.  Doncaster is a highly paid CEO whose role is to inspire, direct and, sometimes, to save the organisation from itself.  That he is paid £500K-ish to run a daft wee poll which resulted in an obfuscated lash-up is unacceptable.

He can't  break the rules of the organisation though. 

Which clubs might be most opposed to independent decision making?

[The_Kincardine]

36 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

He can't  break the rules of the organisation though. 

Resisting a call for the fixture list to be disrupted is the opposite of breaking the rules.

[Sergeant Wilson]

4 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Resisting a call for the fixture list to be disrupted is the opposite of breaking the rules.

Some clubs asked for a change to the break he wasn't empowered to grant or deny it, hence the vote.

[The_Kincardine]

10 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Some clubs asked for a change to the break he wasn't empowered to grant or deny it, hence the vote.

This is where good leadership should come in, though.  By pointing out that 1. Not all games could be postponed and 2. There was no guarantee - or even strong possibility - that the postponed games could be played to full houses it could have been entirely possible for any written resolution to be withdrawn.

Instead, he got suckered in to presiding over a fudge.  Again.

[Sergeant Wilson]

4 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

This is where good leadership should come in, though.  By pointing out that 1. Not all games could be postponed and 2. There was no guarantee - or even strong possibility - that the postponed games could be played to full houses it could have been entirely possible for any written resolution to be withdrawn.

Instead, he got suckered in to presiding over a fudge.  Again.

That's why the rules are what they are and he's the club's choice.

[AJF]

16 hours ago, kingjoey said:

I see that Rangers have upset Nottingham Forest by claiming that they are the first major European club to have reached their 150 anniversary, or will in 2022, or should it be 2023. Nottingham Forest have won 2 more European Cups than Rangers and are 156 years old. Why do Rangers constantly fiddle figures to make themselves seem better than everyone else?

Seems like it wasn’t just Nottingham Forest that got upset.

[54_and_counting]

3 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

That's why the rules are what they are and he's the club's choice.

Then its absolutely pointless having a league board and a ceo earning close to half a mill a year, when the bests interests of the overall league are put second to each clubs best interests

The fixtures were done before the season started, the league had a short timeframe due to international calendars, but now clubs with their own selfish interests (mine included) have potentially fucked the league, all it takes is a weather wipeout of even one weekend and midweek fixture calendar and the league is struggling to finish

Not to mention that fixtures that were supposed to be played pre window will now be played with potentially different players from who was available pre break

Imagine st johnstone sign a couple of players next week, and these players contribute and they win the two rearranged games and stay up by say 3 points, not exactly fair is it? 

[Sergeant Wilson]

14 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said:

Then its absolutely pointless having a league board and a ceo earning close to half a mill a year, when the bests interests of the overall league are put second to each clubs best interests

The fixtures were done before the season started, the league had a short timeframe due to international calendars, but now clubs with their own selfish interests (mine included) have potentially fucked the league, all it takes is a weather wipeout of even one weekend and midweek fixture calendar and the league is struggling to finish

Not to mention that fixtures that were supposed to be played pre window will now be played with potentially different players from who was available pre break

Imagine st johnstone sign a couple of players next week, and these players contribute and they win the two rearranged games and stay up by say 3 points, not exactly fair is it? 

Of course it's pointless but it's what the club's want as it's a barrier to hide behind when blame is being dished out. 

[The_Kincardine]

18 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Of course it's pointless but it's what the club's want as it's a barrier to hide behind when blame is being dished out. 

At last you've said something I agree with.  It's only taken about a decade and a half!