Next UK Labour Leader - post Brexit

[eez-eh]

Where was the Labour rebellion when Miliband was leader? Corbyn is no less competent than Miliband was, he actually speaks better than him. He's just further to the left, something all the Blairites can't abide.

[dorlomin]

1 hour ago, The Chlamydia Kid said:

Corbyn is a man of principle. We need more politicians with principles (regardless of where they sit on the spectrum) not less!

Those principles were to take £20 000 from the Iranian government. 

 

He is very happy, delighted even, to take a few grand from the Iranian TV company to host shows on the evils of "Zionism" but is deeply principled. 

 

How many people does Iran have to hang to offend his principles? How many minorities does Iran have to suppress and discriminate against to offend his "principles"? Still the money was no doubt nice and very principled. 

[DrewDon]

The LRC is the Labour Representation Committee, an internal pressure group broadly aligned to Jeremy Corbyn's politics (he is one of four Labour MPs officially affiliated to the group). John McDonnell is their current Chairman.

[dorlomin]

2 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

The reason we have a Tory majority government that was preceded by a Tory dominated coalition was that 10 years of right-wing Labour government failed to make any real changes.  

Funny how your "left" are barely able to retain a deposit. Yet you still think you are entitled to run the country. Like most of the activist left you treat the UK electorate like they are stupid scum who should vote for what you want or be dismissed. You cannot begin to understand the lives of the people who disagree with you. Even when most of them tend to be working class rather than middle class. 

 

You view working people as cattle who exist to vote for what you want and are too stupid to understand that what you want is what is good for them. 

 

You cannot imagine them having thoughts and value of their own that you do not share. 

 

You will throw  a tantrum about this. Its how most middle class lefties react when faced with the fact they do sweet f*ck all to engage the working class. 

[strichener]

5 hours ago, BerwickMad said:

I listen to words, policies and look at voting records, not just memes and cyber heros. I'm never going to agree with everything, but the alternative is Corbyn who says things, but ive seen little to back it up. I'm impressed with what Smith had to say in his launch and in interviews. Out of the two, so far, I believe he has the best chance of forming a Labour government.

I didn't get free university education. It was £1200 each year that I paid half of and my parents paid the other half. It went up to over £3k per year the year after I got there, but they didn't have to pay it up front which was probably better. I'm for abolishing tuition fees personally.

So as long as they can tell you what you want to hear then you are all for them.  Explains why you find Smith preferable to Corbyn.

[Bedford White]

1 hour ago, dorlomin said:

Funny how your "left" are barely able to retain a deposit. Yet you still think you are entitled to run the country. Like most of the activist left you treat the UK electorate like they are stupid scum who should vote for what you want or be dismissed. You cannot begin to understand the lives of the people who disagree with you. Even when most of them tend to be working class rather than middle class. 

 

You view working people as cattle who exist to vote for what you want and are too stupid to understand that what you want is what is good for them. 

 

You cannot imagine them having thoughts and value of their own that you do not share. 

 

You will throw  a tantrum about this. Its how most middle class lefties react when faced with the fact they do sweet f*ck all to engage the working class. 

Funny that some of the biggest Corbyn street support has been in places like Manchester, Liverpool and Middlesborough. Hardly Islington and Labour luvvies. Labour polling across the whole of North of England holding at 10% above Tories despite PLP and new pm bounce. Not quite the narrative you present as the spokesman for the working class. Labour were ahead in two post brexit polls and level in the others until the PLP decided to go to war with its membership. We now have the largest left of centre membership of any party in Europe and the biggest Labour party membership in UK in over 50 years. If Sanders can stand as a socialist in the USA with such popularity then Corbyn should be given his chance to build an alternative.

[mjw]

 



 

You will throw  a tantrum about this.

Wow!
Hello pot,meet kettle.

[Fide]

11 hours ago, BerwickMad said:

New kind of politics? Where?

As was shown in May 2015, if people want Tory values, they'll vote Tory.

A new kind of politics would be what Corbyn is trying to do and what Jamie Reed, Wes Streeting and all the other chicken coupers are precisely not doing.  Providing a REAL, effective oppostion to a shithouse Tory Government.

All I see with the uuter wet blankets you support is sniping and abstaining.

[BerwickMad]

So as long as they can tell you what you want to hear then you are all for them.  Explains why you find Smith preferable to Corbyn.

Corbyn, to a certain extent, tells me what I want to hear. I just don't believe he says enough. Anyone can constantly say what they're against and provide an umbrella of what they stand for. But is there anything underneath it? I've had bosses like that, who say all the right things but do nothing about it and there's little detail about how they're going to achieve anything. An example, Child Care. What does he think about that? I haven't a clue and he's been in post for 10 months.

I'd actually like something along the lines of the SNP. Centre left, but realistic, detailed policies to back it up.

[pandarilla]

Corbyn, to a certain extent, tells me what I want to hear. I just don't believe he says enough. Anyone can constantly say what they're against and provide an umbrella of what they stand for. But is there anything underneath it? I've had bosses like that, who say all the right things but do nothing about it and there's little detail about how they're going to achieve anything. An example, Child Care. What does he think about that? I haven't a clue and he's been in post for 10 months.

I'd actually like something along the lines of the SNP. Centre left, but realistic, detailed policies to back it up.

The snp are not centre left, although they do talk that way.

Genuinely, I don't think you challenge the media enough.

[Cream Cheese]

26 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

The snp are not centre left
 

 

 

They quite clearly are.

[Erskjne Bridge]

They quite clearly are.

In your tiny deluded mind they are. Haha

[Gordon EF]

18 minutes ago, Erskjne Bridge said:

In your tiny deluded mind they are. Haha

Oooh, snap.

[Cream Cheese]

19 minutes ago, Erskjne Bridge said:

In your tiny deluded mind they are. Haha

[invergowrie arab]

39 minutes ago, Erskjne Bridge said:

In your tiny deluded mind they are. Haha

Remember Reynard was throwing about classics like buckled leftards and scheme goblins?

Now all we have left is shit gibbons like this.

[MarkoRaj]

Where was the Labour rebellion when Miliband was leader? Corbyn is no less competent than Miliband was, he actually speaks better than him. He's just further to the left, something all the Blairites can't abide.

This is the crux of the matter. Anyone who can stand there and say Miliband is more electable than Corbyn is a liar or an idiot. I would like to see these people justify a coup now, and explain where they were after Miliband's infamous teachers strikes interview or any of his other gaffes. Anyone after a leader who was electable above all else should have been hounding him out of office

[NotThePars]

stoked for another Corbyn landslide and the inevitable deselections to follow. You come at the king, he might just phone yer da.

[pandarilla]

They quite clearly are.

Well going by political compass (not the greatest source but pretty solid) they are pretty centrist.

Of course this is all subjective. Personally, I think there has been a solid shift to the right over the last 40 years and so now a party that's pretty much centrist starts to look more left wing by comparison.

[Granny Danger]

17 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

 

 

Well going by political compass (not the greatest source but pretty solid) they are pretty centrist.

Of course this is all subjective. Personally, I think there has been a solid shift to the right over the last 40 years and so now a party that's pretty much centrist starts to look more left wing by comparison.


 

 

 

The SNP are not a left wing party though portray themselves as such.  Some policies, such as trident removal, portray them as radical.

Given their prime objective of independence they have to appeal to a broad cross section whilst bearing in mind the vast majority of Scots have historically rejected the greed and self interest ethos of the Tories.  This if nothing else will keep them slightly left-of-centre.   It will be interesting to see if their redistributive policies translate into changes to personal taxation.

[ayrmad]

21 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

 

 

Well going by political compass (not the greatest source but pretty solid) they are pretty centrist.

Of course this is all subjective. Personally, I think there has been a solid shift to the right over the last 40 years and so now a party that's pretty much centrist starts to look more left wing by comparison.


 

 

 

I'd say they're to the centre right on business issues and the centre left on social issues, probably where the Westminster Tories keep telling us they are and probably where elections are won in the UK at the moment.