doulikefish Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 lol John mcternan is to help lead own smiths campaign,corbyn wins then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, BerwickMad said: New kind of politics? Where? Where to start, where to start? Firstly I'm not sure why a Newcastle United supporting Labour Party member is so desperate to post on a Scottish football chat site that he pretends to support Berwick Rangers to justify it. Maybe you can explain. Secondly I have no idea why you're a member of the Labour Party, there's obviously not a socialist bone in your body. Maybe guilty conscience. Maybe, like so many others you've seen Labour morph itself into a centrist party and think it gives you more street cred than joining the LibDems. Again maybe you can explain. The new kind of politics is measured. No histrionics, greater tolerance (though personally I think maybe too much) and an approach to politics that is balanced. His contributions on the EU were a PERFECT example of this, very much a 'look the EU has many faults but we're still better in than out'. It's not an approach that will endear him to the simpletons in the same way as his politics is not one that will endear him to the pretend socialists. Hopefully I've gone some way to answer your question. Maybe you can answer mine now. Whilst you're at it, you've been deathly silent on the issue of Trident; do you have a view on this very important issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 You've gone no way into answering my question. I've never known so much bile and abuse in politics, and his team aren't immune, look at John McDonnell. I'll ignore the rest of the meltdown about football teams and you pretending to know the ins and outs of my politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I'm against trident, but I can see both sides of the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 10 minutes ago, BerwickMad said: You've gone no way into answering my question. I've never known so much bile and abuse in politics, and his team aren't immune, look at John McDonnell. I'll ignore the rest of the meltdown about football teams and you pretending to know the ins and outs of my politics. You think my post was a meltdown? No I was just interested in your reasons for posting here under false pretences. You've posted enough on here for anyone to offer an opinion on the 'ins and outs' of your politics; that's what I did. Any modern, secular, progressive society will only thrive on a representative democracy that offers real choice; people like you are robbing folk of that choice by helping to divert the Labour Party from the path they should be following. If folk want a slightly right-of-Tory alternative then there's already one in existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 What utter bollocks. I'm anti-austerity, believe in investing in infrastructure to boost the economy, believe in a totally public funded NHS, believe there should be an emphasis on building more social housing. I believe in a fairer taxation system where the rich pay their fair share and I believe in communities coming together and working for the common good. I could go on. You'd do well to point out some Tory politics of mine from this forum. I simply don't think Corbyn, or his narrow politics (most of which I believe in) are any way electable at the moment or in the future. I think he's been a poor, ineffectual leader backed up by MPs from different 'wings' of the party. There's nothing 'Tory' about that view. I was Labour before his leadership and I will be after he's gone.On Blair and New Labour, they weren't as to the left of me, but I still believe they did a lot of good. I was in a class of 40 in a crumbling school in 1993. Things changed massively for the better under Labour compared to what I think would have happened had the Tories got in again. I doubt I would have went to university if it wasn't For a Labour government. Id like to think of myself as objective, can weigh up arguments and don't need to stick to some narrow political belief that I follow for every 'opinion' I'm meant to have.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 His new politics is quite clear to see.He doesn't go in for gimmicks, soundbites, or the point-scoring and pantomime shit of pmqs.(I'm sure there will be a few examples of the above but it's drastically reduced from the previous leaders)He doesn't go all in and try to simplify complex issues and actually tries to engage in political debate. It's politics for grown ups but that doesn't suit the media and the Westminster game. It's alien to them and so he looks like a loser.I really just wish he had a bit more bite to him, just a bit sharper. But his gritty refusal to cave in will surely win him support from many in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 28 minutes ago, BerwickMad said: What utter bollocks. I'm anti-austerity, believe in investing in infrastructure to boost the economy, believe in a totally public funded NHS, believe there should be an emphasis on building more social housing. I believe in a fairer taxation system where the rich pay their fair share and I believe in communities coming together and working for the common good. I could go on. You'd do well to point out some Tory politics of mine from this forum. I simply don't think Corbyn, or his narrow politics (most of which I believe in) are any way electable at the moment or in the future. I think he's been a poor, ineffectual leader backed up by MPs from different 'wings' of the party. There's nothing 'Tory' about that view. I was Labour before his leadership and I will be after he's gone. On Blair and New Labour, they weren't as to the left of me, but I still believe they did a lot of good. I was in a class of 40 in a crumbling school in 1993. Things changed massively for the better under Labour compared to what I think would have happened had the Tories got in again. I doubt I would have went to university if it wasn't For a Labour government. Id like to think of myself as objective, can weigh up arguments and don't need to stick to some narrow political belief that I follow for every 'opinion' I'm meant to have.. So you support Corbyn's policies but want to replace him with Smith? Aye right. Its a pity Labour no longer support the free university education you benefitted from and I wonder if the school that was built to replace yours is still being paid for. Things can only get better aye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 About time the polls options were changed tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 So you support Corbyn's policies but want to replace him with Smith? Aye right. Its a pity Labour no longer support the free university education you benefitted from and I wonder if the school that was built to replace yours is still being paid for. Things can only get better aye? I listen to words, policies and look at voting records, not just memes and cyber heros. I'm never going to agree with everything, but the alternative is Corbyn who says things, but ive seen little to back it up. I'm impressed with what Smith had to say in his launch and in interviews. Out of the two, so far, I believe he has the best chance of forming a Labour government.I didn't get free university education. It was £1200 each year that I paid half of and my parents paid the other half. It went up to over £3k per year the year after I got there, but they didn't have to pay it up front which was probably better. I'm for abolishing tuition fees personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I listen to words, policies and look at voting records, not just memes and cyber heros. I'm never going to agree with everything, but the alternative is Corbyn who says things, but ive seen little to back it up. I'm impressed with what Smith had to say in his launch and in interviews. Out of the two, so far, I believe he has the best chance of forming a Labour government.I didn't get free university education. It was £1200 each year that I paid half of and my parents paid the other half. It went up to over £3k per year the year after I got there, but they didn't have to pay it up front which was probably better. I'm for abolishing tuition fees personally. I suggest you look past the shiny media presentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, BerwickMad said: I listen to words, policies and look at voting records, not just memes and cyber heros. I'm never going to agree with everything, but the alternative is Corbyn who says things, but ive seen little to back it up. I'm impressed with what Smith had to say in his launch and in interviews. Out of the two, so far, I believe he has the best chance of forming a Labour government. I didn't get free university education. It was £1200 each year that I paid half of and my parents paid the other half. It went up to over £3k per year the year after I got there, but they didn't have to pay it up front which was probably better. I'm for abolishing tuition fees personally. ^^^ Opposses Trident renewal, wants to abolish tuition fees, wants to replace Corbyn with Smith. It all makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 ^^^ Opposses Trident renewal, wants to abolish tuition fees, wants to replace Corbyn with Smith. It all makes sense. What's so difficult to understand? I don't believe Corbyn can ever get into power as he speaks to the converted. He doesn't even seem to try to appeal beyond his narrow base. I want Labour in government, not as a party of protest. I believe Smith, from what I have seen so far, to be more the kind of candidate that can appeal across all of Labour, while still being in the left. I don't know his stance on tuition fees. He's only been in the race a week or so. It's not a game for me. I don't need to feel good about myself for supporting someone who stands for a narrow political view with little compromise. I work as a housing officer. I've had tenants crying in front of me because they can't afford the rent, or food because of some of the harsher elements of welfare reform. It's no good to them that Corbyn is a principled man. I believe we need a Labour government. This 'real choice' bollocks between two opposites too. The sooner people like you realise most of the electorate are in the middle, or just a little bit either side the better. That doesn't mean throw away all your principles, but at least offer them something if you're ever serious about being in government and helping the people you claim to want to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, BerwickMad said: What's so difficult to understand? I don't believe Corbyn can ever get into power as he speaks to the converted. He doesn't even seem to try to appeal beyond his narrow base. I want Labour in government, not as a party of protest. I believe Smith, from what I have seen so far, to be more the kind of candidate that can appeal across all of Labour, while still being in the left. I don't know his stance on tuition fees. He's only been in the race a week or so. It's not a game for me. I don't need to feel good about myself for supporting someone who stands for a narrow political view with little compromise. I work as a housing officer. I've had tenants crying in front of me because they can't afford the rent, or food because of some of the harsher elements of welfare reform. It's no good to them that Corbyn is a principled man. I believe we need a Labour government. This 'real choice' bollocks between two opposites too. The sooner people like you realise most of the electorate are in the middle, a just a little bit either side the better. That doesn't mean throw away all your principles, but at least offer them something if you're ever serious about being in government and helping the people you claim to want to help. The reason we have a Tory majority government that was preceded by a Tory dominated coalition was that 10 years of right-wing Labour government failed to make any real changes. That's why they were voted out and the Tories voted back in, the same Tories that have enacted policies that have tenants crying in front of you. Yet you're actively involved in trying to recreate that sort of Labour government. I met many folk like you during my 20 years in the Labour Party. People who thought that having 'power' was more important than what they did with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 What's so difficult to understand? I don't believe Corbyn can ever get into power as he speaks to the converted. He doesn't even seem to try to appeal beyond his narrow base. I want Labour in government, not as a party of protest. I believe Smith, from what I have seen so far, to be more the kind of candidate that can appeal across all of Labour, while still being in the left. I don't know his stance on tuition fees. He's only been in the race a week or so. It's not a game for me. I don't need to feel good about myself for supporting someone who stands for a narrow political view with little compromise. I work as a housing officer. I've had tenants crying in front of me because they can't afford the rent, or food because of some of the harsher elements of welfare reform. It's no good to them that Corbyn is a principled man. I believe we need a Labour government. This 'real choice' bollocks between two opposites too. The sooner people like you realise most of the electorate are in the middle, or just a little bit either side the better. That doesn't mean throw away all your principles, but at least offer them something if you're ever serious about being in government and helping the people you claim to want to help. That's a fair post - but it comes back to whether you thought the Blair years were successful (in terms of centre left goals).Lots of people were (in many ways) disillusioned by labour in government. It was too much about being in power with not enough meaningful change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford White Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Dan Hodges delighting that 43,000 supporter registrations have been rejected as invalid. Hmm. More gerrymandering. NEC ballot papers arrived this morning. Lets see how they react to the Corbyn bloc of 6 been elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I was tempted to vote electronically and by post in the hope that one of my votes might be allowed to count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Received my NEC ballot and just submitted my choices electronically. The LRC has tonight denounced Ann Black and stated that they will never support her candidacy for the NEC again. I'm sure she will be elected regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 What's the LRC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Labour Rigging the Count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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