dorlomin Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 17 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: The guy that wrote that article, Martin Robbins, is not a serious journalist or commentator by any measure. This is called "argumentum ad hominem", the piece is dismissed not by taking it apart point by point but by supposed character flaws in the author. Quote He has no greater insight or can offer no more critical or informed analysis than dorlomin. I have provided a rather lot of data in the past few days to back up my position. You have not been able to challenge any of the data. You dislike my conclusions from the data but are incapable of coherent argument. Corbyn is a buffoon leading Labour to electoral defeat. You clearly have no problem with his shilling for the Iranian government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 1 minute ago, dorlomin said: This is called "argumezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Randy Giles said: No data offered. Claim dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 52 minutes ago, dorlomin said: YouGov 27/07/16 He is happy to take money from the people who hang you for being gay, Iran. You clearly think he is fine and by extension you are happy with the Iranian governments human rights record. This is some pretty flawed arguing right here. Whatever tenuous link Corbyn has to Iran you are milking it for all that it's worth - and then using that to taint anyone who defends or supports Corbyn. Just because you appear to have 'data' or even articles to back up your point that doesn't necessarily mean your point isn't absolute horseshit. You can do fucking anything with opinion polls; lies, damn lies, and statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 15 minutes ago, dorlomin said: This is called "argumentum ad hominem", the piece is dismissed not by taking it apart point by point but by supposed character flaws in the author. All he offers is opinion. I would not waste my time addressing his opinions point by point. In truth I have no idea why I'm even responding to your posts, I must be more bored than I realised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Just now, pandarilla said: Whatever tenuous link Corbyn has to Iran you are milking it for all that it's worth He was paid £20 000 to appear on Iranian government TV, its in the members register. Now he claims to be big on human rights, so one can infer the people hung by the Iranian government were not human. Quote Just because you appear to have 'data' or even articles to back up your point that doesn't necessarily mean your point isn't absolute horseshit. This is true, having data does not make one correct, but when presented with data one has to offer a coherent and rational explanation as to why the data is flaws or the interpretation is wrong. Shouting pottymouthed insults is not a coherent or rational rebuttal. This should be obvious to anyone over 12. See that as something to aim for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Just now, Granny Danger said: I would not waste my time addressing his opinions point by point. Because you cant. This is understandable. You are befuddled and incapable of offering well sourced counter arguments. The exact kind of person the article criticises. Quote LABOUR’S popularity would be boosted significantly if the party dumped Jeremy Corbyn as leader, according to a new poll. The UK-wide BMG survey for The Herald, carried out before the shock Brexit result, found that just over one-third, 36 per cent, said that they could vote for a Corbyn-led Labour party. But that figure jumped to almost half, 48 per cent, if the veteran socialist was no longer in charge – a 12 point boost. http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14581225.Dumping_Jeremy_Corbyn_would_give_Labour_s_popularity_12_point_boost__according_to_new_poll/ Month old but valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 Last year, the Foreign Office's most senior civil servant admitted to MPs that human rights was "not one of our top priorities" and that the "prosperity agenda is further up the list".Looks like Corbyn is in the right place then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 When he's not 'behaving like a leader' he gets criticised, but when he's doing proper Union statesman like things like schmoozing with bad brown people he's also in the wrong. What do you want from the guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 10 hours ago, dorlomin said: YouGov 27/07/16 He is happy to take money from the people who hang you for being gay, Iran. You clearly think he is fine and by extension you are happy with the Iranian governments human rights record. 10 hours ago, dorlomin said: I have provided a rather lot of data in the past few days to back up my position. You have not been able to challenge any of the data. You dislike my conclusions from the data but are incapable of coherent argument. Corbyn is a buffoon leading Labour to electoral defeat. You clearly have no problem with his shilling for the Iranian government. 10 hours ago, dorlomin said: No data offered. Claim dismissed. 9 hours ago, dorlomin said: He was paid £20 000 to appear on Iranian government TV, its in the members register. Now he claims to be big on human rights, so one can infer the people hung by the Iranian government were not human. You're absolutely mental. Why the f**k would you think anyone wishes to do anything other than laugh at you, let alone debate with you? (Feel free to infer that my choice of avatar somehow makes me a nazi sympathiser again. That was pretty funny) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 10 hours ago, dorlomin said: No data offered. Claim dismissed. I have no data to support my theory, but I'm pretty sure you're a cataclysmically stupid p***k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 I have no data to support my theory, but I'm pretty sure you're a cataclysmically stupid p***k. It's funny how utterly raging you get about a party you're not even part of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 It's funny how utterly raging you get about a party you're not even part of. Did you skip by the utterly raging posts accusing people of supporting Iran hanging gay people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Did you skip by the utterly raging posts accusing people of supporting Iran hanging gay people? I've said before, harping back to what the candidates said or did decades ago has no interest to me. The pathetic meme's from Momentum about private health care, or taking money from Iran. No interest. I want to know what they stand for now and what they're going to do going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 29 minutes ago, BerwickMad said: It's funny how utterly raging you get about a party you're not even part of. Don't know about utterly raging, but I think it is quite reasonable for people to take an interest in the workings of one of the UK's major political parties. There are many folk on here who are not SNP members but take an interest in them, some are even utterly raging about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Don't know about utterly raging, but I think it is quite reasonable for people to take an interest in the workings of one of the UK's major political parties. This. My father worked in manufacturing all his days, a committed union man and Labour supporter. I've pretty much followed in his footsteps apart from the Labour part. This is probably replicated up and down the country but labour seems happy to write these people off saying 'well you won't vote for us anyway so we'll not bother ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 1 hour ago, BerwickMad said: It's funny how utterly raging you get about a party you're not even part of. I used to be a Labour voter until they decided not to give a f**k about the electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 If your issue is with Labour not giving a f**k about "the electorate" then supporting the mumbleclown is a pretty stupid solution. Given that his leadership as well as 'Momentum's' agenda is being overwhelmingly rejected right now by "the electorate". And no amount of leadership contests within the echo chamber that is the Labour Party membership will change that fact. The hard truth for our legion of "Laebur left me" roasters on here is that Labour did in fact "care about the electorate" - in the sense that they realised that in order to win power they'd need to at least begin on a centrist, Blairite tack. Which absolutely abandoned their core vote - because their core vote wasn't sufficient to win a decisive number of seats in a UK-wide general election: see 1983; 1987. There is no way for a UK-wide Labour Party to ever square that circle, campaigning for a centre-left agenda that better fits in the north, the fringes and London, with a firmly centrist agenda that they will always have to play to stand any chance in central and southern England. The party really is better off splitting into two distinct camps and forming an electoral pact: much as the Liberals and the emerging Labour Party itself did before the First World War. But that will never happen because Labour drones see it as a natural party of government, and 'natural parties of government' never respond rationally to their demise. It is finished as a credible political party, and what you are witnessing are its death throes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 I take it the mumbleclown is Corbyn? I'm not a supporter of his as I'm not a Labour member or voter, but he is the democratically elected leader of their party and I think he's been treated disgracefully by some of his colleagues. I would therefore like every careerist chicken couper Labour MP and their supporters to therefore be fucked over for being spineless backstabbing twats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cream Cheese Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 I don't think Corbyn is being rejected by the electorate. I think the party infighting is being rejected. The PLP are doing a grand job keeping a true Labour Party away from power and keeping the Conservatives in place until such times in which Labour out Conservative them. If it wasn't for the infighting being generated by the PLP then Labour wouldn't be doing nearly as bad as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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