HibeeJibee Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 OF expansion is an interesting discussion, tbf. European Cup thing isn't very surprising tbh. Since 1967 the only winners outside the 'Big 7' of England, Spain, Italy, Germany, Netherlands, France (once) and Portugal (twice) have been Steau Bucharest in 1986 and Red Star Belgrade in 1991 (as Yugoslavia), which were both before CL era and fall of communism. Leagues like Belgium, Russia, Turkey, Austria, Switzerland, Poland, the Scandanavian nations and so on have still never produced a champion. In all European trophies we have to go back to 1983 but again the only winners other than the 2 mentioned have been Dynamo Kiev in 1986 (CWC as USSR), Gothenburg in 1987 (UC), Mechelen in 1988 (CWC), Galatasary in 2000 (UC), CSKA Moscow in 2005 (UC), Zenit St Petersburg in 2008 (UC) and Shaktar Donetsk in 2009 (EL). We've had 3 losing finalists in that period. Therefore in the "modern era" - since the Warsaw Pact collapsed, TV money took-off, Bosman came in, groupstages started, etc. - only Turkey, Russia (twice) and Ukraine have won anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Class of 92 still out of their league will be the better football documentary tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 53 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: As I said when the thread started, it depends what they're trying to do. If it's simply a historical documentary then - unless badly researched - it's hard to go wrong. Although as some have noted you may be accused of focusing on certain clubs. They have produced some decent historical documentaries in the past. Sportscene anniversary was pretty ropey, but "That Was the Team That Was" turned out pretty decent. Granted that Rangers and Celtic were the only clubs to feature twice (as did Scotland), but Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Raith and Leeds also got an episode. If it's trying to combine historical documentary with contemporary comment and a sort of quasi-investigative journalism - "the state we are in" type stuff - it's a much bigger ask. 'That was the Team that was' was a really good series. The Hearts one in particular, was very moving. I managed to miss the Raith Rovers and Leeds ones though. I wasn't even aware of them. Leeds sounds like a bit of an anomoly. I assume it was to do with the number of Scots in their mid 70s team? I'm looking forward to tonight's programme. I may enjoy it, or I may just enjoy getting angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 One of the blurbs I read today mentioned Souness is on it talking about how "brave" Mo Johnston was. I think we can see where this episode is going... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy boo Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Class of 92 still out of their league will be the better football documentary tonight. Indeed. Is it a repeat or new stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I wonder how much they'll airbrush of the Old Firm bigotry and Rangers being cheating b*****ds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 33 minutes ago, Elixir said: I wonder how much they'll airbrush of the Old Firm bigotry and Rangers being cheating b*****ds. That will be interesting actually. Going by the trailers, a part of the narrative seems to involve clubs overspending to ridiculous degrees - Stuart Cosgrove refers to the rot setting in when wages start to escalate wildly. The obvious endgame here surely concerns what happened to the most apparently wealthy, powerful and ostentatious spender. The language used in tiptoeing through liquidation and the re-birth will be worth hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbycoxblue Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I'm hoping this is quite interesting .. worried it will be usual regurgitated OF shite .But looking forward to hearing united begging for a merger only for us to leave them standing at the alter so to speak.. we dodged a bullet there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Indeed. Is it a repeat or new stuff? Its new stuff.Pity its moved to 10.45 up here,I'll need to catch it tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Wee boy with an Ulster flag..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Jabba Traynor ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudu Dahan pal Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 w****r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 "One of the best known names in world football - Terry Butcher" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 So after a quick wallow in nostalgia, tanner baws and metaphor we're off... Graeme Souness and his Revolution the first topic of the programme, and Jim Traynor the first interviewee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM. Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Surely that wasn't Rangers fans invading the park and breaking the goal posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 And a pitch invasion with vandalised goalposts. Disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Provocation, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudu Dahan pal Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I'm sure I seen a few opposition players being assaulted. Shameful from the **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 "42 professional clubs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Roger Mitchell . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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