sparky88 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 9 hours ago, ICTJohnboy said: There's been plenty of polls to suggest Boris will pick up votes from disaffected traditional labour voters. Whether they are properly constructed or not I don't know, but I do know that many polls in recent years have been spectacularly wrong. You do have to go with gut feelings on occasions and mine is, thanks to people I speak to around here, that Boris would wipe out Jezza in a GE - that is, if he calls one soon after becoming PM. If he delays on calling an election he would probably lose - it won't take the country long to realise that a hard Brexit will prove to be a catastrophic mistake. https://www.thevoicefm.co.uk/news/politics/poll-boost-for-boris-johnson-but-he-wont-turn-up-to-first-tv-debate/ I can't help thinking the Tories are in for a massive shock when they put Johnson (as he should be referred to) in front of the electorate as PM. His shocking approval ratings in London should be a massive red flag that it looks like they will ignore. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, sparky88 said: I can't help thinking the Tories are in for a massive shock when they put Johnson (as he should be referred to) in front of the electorate as PM. His shocking approval ratings in London should be a massive red flag that it looks like they will ignore. There is some kind of weird timing issue going on here. In so many circles - both labour and conservative, that Boris is the great white hope that can get us (when I say us, I mean England) out of this mess. One of the smartest moves in his leadership campaign has been to avoid giving interviews and also this C4 debate. His team have clearly sussed that the less he opens his mouth the better his chances of leadership are. How far can he go using this approach? Possibly far enough to see him installed as PM, but I can't see him lasting long in a position where he will have to make some speeches and take some decisions. He'll soon be found wanting - very wanting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted June 16, 2019 Author Share Posted June 16, 2019 There is some kind of weird timing issue going on here. In so many circles - both labour and conservative, that Boris is the great white hope that can get us (when I say us, I mean England) out of this mess. One of the smartest moves in his leadership campaign has been to avoid giving interviews and also this C4 debate. His team have clearly sussed that the less he opens his mouth the better his chances of leadership are. How far can he go using this approach? Possibly far enough to see him installed as PM, but I can't see him lasting long in a position where he will have to make some speeches and take some decisions. He'll soon be found wanting - very wanting.I know, and it will be hilarious. If polls for Scottish independence don't jump to at least 55% when Johnson is crowned then we might as well pack our bags and switch the lights off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 I know, and it will be hilarious. If polls for Scottish independence don't jump to at least 55% when Johnson is crowned then we might as well pack our bags and switch the lights off.They may well do but for many, many Scottish voters there is still a great fear of the uncertainty that independence represents. I don't share it but I'm merely pointing out that the bedridden patient rarely kicks out at the nurse.What I DO think may swing the pendulum is when a British Nationalist Government led by Johnson or whoever begins to reverse the devolution process by imposing direct rule from Westminster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: What I DO think may swing the pendulum is when a British Nationalist Government led by Johnson or whoever begins to reverse the devolution process by imposing direct rule from Westminster. Has this not already started with Davidson suggesting more project finance for Scotland should come directly from Westminster? I think Tomkins is also starting to undermine the importance of Holyrood. I think devolution is going to come under intense pressure from definitely Tory, possibly Labour, quite soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: What I DO think may swing the pendulum is when a British Nationalist Government led by Johnson or whoever begins to reverse the devolution process by imposing direct rule from Westminster. Sadly, I think you're wrong. The vast, vast majority of those who are opposed to independence will never change their minds regardless of anything the Tories throw at Scotland. They could abolish Holyrood tomorrow and still support for independence wouldn't get above 50%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 You don’t try to kill devolution by abolishing the Scottish Parliament. You continue to starve it of resources whilst demographic changes apply more pressure to it whilst, with the help of the MSM, blaming the consequences on the SNP. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 You don’t try to kill devolution by abolishing the Scottish Parliament. You continue to starve it of resources whilst demographic changes apply more pressure to it whilst, with the help of the MSM, blaming the consequences on the SNP. What a load of rubbish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Good news lads, David Coburn did a poll before he got put out on his arse. The results are as follows: It was delivered to me inside a Farmfoods leaflet, if you think that might be an omen for something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Sure fishing is important but have you ever tried jobs and medicine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 57 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: I got one of those too, was thinking what on earth was it for, as we're not in an election campaign It's Coburn's job application to Farage, he'll be off the Euro gravy train on July 2nd if he isn't already. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I got that a few days ago. The EFD is the EU Right-wing branch, they’ve had similar leaflets done for Wales as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Good news lads, David Coburn did a poll before he got put out on his arse. The results are as follows: It was delivered to me inside a Farmfoods leaflet, if you think that might be an omen for something.So a majority think the EU doesnt harm fishing. Lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: So a majority think the EU doesnt harm fishing. Lol. No! Most do! 49% think it does, 10% don't. 49 is more than 10. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Mine was edited 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Edinburgh, Forfar, Glasgow How many of these things did that fat w**k have made? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Edinburgh, Forfar, Glasgow How many of these things did that fat w**k have made? And who's paying for them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 No! Most do! 49% think it does, 10% don't. 49 is more than 10.Lolwut? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: And who's paying for them? The Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy group in the EU Parliament, which at present includes the Brexit Party, the 5* Clown Party from Italy and a Hippy party from Croatia. They don't have enough members to be recognised as a formal group, so they can't do much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 There is some kind of weird timing issue going on here. In so many circles - both labour and conservative, that Boris is the great white hope that can get us (when I say us, I mean England) out of this mess. One of the smartest moves in his leadership campaign has been to avoid giving interviews and also this C4 debate. His team have clearly sussed that the less he opens his mouth the better his chances of leadership are. How far can he go using this approach? Possibly far enough to see him installed as PM, but I can't see him lasting long in a position where he will have to make some speeches and take some decisions. He'll soon be found wanting - very wanting.The same was said about a certain Mr Trump when he became president. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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