welshbairn Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Covid and Ukraine have made it difficult to isolate the effects of Brexit, I don't think anyone thinks it's been positive. Even arch Brexiteer Daniel Hannan has come round to saying we should have stayed in the single market, we've just introduced a whole new level of red tape and costs for no benefit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Thanks for that. Anyhow, hardly a ‘farce’. I agree that the trade figures aren't evidence of a farce. Proposing legislation to override the government's own treaty, however, is farcial. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 23 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Covid and Ukraine have made it difficult to isolate the effects of Brexit, I don't think anyone thinks it's been positive. Even arch Brexiteer Daniel Hannan has come round to saying we should have stayed in the single market, we've just introduced a whole new level of red tape and costs for no benefit. I think he used to advocate leaving but staying in the Single Market. Something that was never, ever going to happen. 9 minutes ago, coprolite said: I agree that the trade figures aren't evidence of a farce. Proposing legislation to override the government's own treaty, however, is farcial. In real danger of underselling how ridiculous a situation it is. Gleefully delivered by a Prime Minister who seemingly knew absolutely nothing about what he was signing when it was obvious the Protocol would add barriers to intra-UK trade. They might well be right that it's a nonsense position to be in, but it's a position they willingly signed up to. The proposal to replace the 'at risk' provisions for goods is actually fairly reasonable, but I think we've been there before and the EU didn't like it. I note that the legal action is also going to include the UK failing to put in place border inspection posts, so any prospects of negotiating on that particular item again isn't going to wash. The only efforts the UK had made in respect of the Protocol is going to great lengths to try and fudge things so the reality of it isn't apparent. The rest of the Bill is utter drivel designed purely to piss off the EU. Not smart. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, Michael W said: I think he used to advocate leaving but staying in the Single Market. As did Farage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 23 hours ago, Michael W said: I think he used to advocate leaving but staying in the Single Market. Something that was never, ever going to happen. We could have had a customs union but the SNP abstained. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, Detournement said: We could have had a customs union but the SNP abstained. Are you as glad we left the CU as you were glad that the Tory Brexit happened? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Antlion said: Are you as glad we left the CU as you were glad that the Tory Brexit happened? I voted Remain. The 2016 result was always going to be implemented, it was electorally inevitable. The people who couldn't see that - despite having it simply explained to them - are absolute fucking morons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Just now, Detournement said: I voted Remain. The 2016 result was always going to be implemented, it was electorally inevitable. The people who couldn't see that - despite having it simply explained to them - are absolute fucking morons. Yes, I know. I also recall you saying you were “glad” that Brexit had happened only later, once the Tories’ handling of it had kicked in (because that’s the totally normal socialist response). Was it their decision to leave the Customs Union that made you glad of it, or something else? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Remember the days when they tried to convince us trading under WTO rules was the way to go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 On 17/06/2022 at 08:24, Clown Job said: Remember the days when they tried to convince us trading under WTO rules was the way to go. Let's Go WTO! Spoiler I ain't linking that shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Another Brexit benefit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Only fair to pay to get into a club you voted to leave, isn't it? Oh wait, Scotland didn't. Scottish travellers will have to pay a fee for entry to the European Union under a new scheme expected to come into force next year. The European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) will require a payment of £6 before travel to any EU states, to allow a security check created to “identify security, irregular migration or high epidemic risks posed by visa-exempt visitors” into Schengen member states. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 52 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: Only fair to pay to get into a club you voted to leave, isn't it? Oh wait, Scotland didn't. Scottish travellers will have to pay a fee for entry to the European Union under a new scheme expected to come into force next year. The European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) will require a payment of £6 before travel to any EU states, to allow a security check created to “identify security, irregular migration or high epidemic risks posed by visa-exempt visitors” into Schengen member states. Good to see the EU taking steps to keep foreign criminals out 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Good to see the EU taking steps to keep foreign criminals out Bit unfair to treat us all as Tory MPs though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 On 23/06/2022 at 17:46, The Skelpit Lug said: Only fair to pay to get into a club you voted to leave, isn't it? Oh wait, Scotland didn't. Scottish travellers will have to pay a fee for entry to the European Union under a new scheme expected to come into force next year. The European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) will require a payment of £6 before travel to any EU states, to allow a security check created to “identify security, irregular migration or high epidemic risks posed by visa-exempt visitors” into Schengen member states. Only it isn't Scottish travellers is it? It is UK travellers of which Scotland is still a member. 2014 appears to be forgotten in all this. We had a chance and the majority voted to stay as part of the UK. We can hardly complain when the UK then does something on a majority basis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, strichener said: Only it isn't Scottish travellers is it? The paper I copied it from is Scottish and giving a Scottish perspective so it was writing about how it would affect Scottish travellers. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 29 minutes ago, strichener said: We can hardly complain when the UK then does something on a majority basis. Doesn't happen often but I do love when Strychnine makes a wee joke. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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