Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Just now, welshbairn said: Fair enough, although I would say some of them are deluded by ideology and prejudice, and not necessarily thick in a strict sense, but we basically agree. I would concur. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Fair enough, although I would say some of them are deluded by ideology and prejudice, and not necessarily thick in a strict sense, but we basically agree. Aww . . . ideology and prejudice . . . gotta love it. The polls mean very little. Their track record in the last few elections/referendums is wanting. Stoke, Sunderland, Accrington . . . Middle England en masse . . . They want out. I'd be delighted to be proved wrong, hopefully I will be, but the core 'out vote' contingent want OUT. They don't give a shit about any deal, they just want out. Opinion does seem to be swinging towards Remain however, but changing the views of the xenophobic block vote is going to be challenging. Edited March 10, 2019 by oldbitterandgrumpy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 At least we can now say everyone is now more informed and educated on what the EU do and don’t do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 20 hours ago, Donathan said: NI voters are unhappy with Brexit, agreed, but this doesn’t suggests that the Protestant majority would prefer to join the Republic, nor pea it suggest that the Republic wants them. Going by the SKY poll a couple of months ago the RoI would welcome a united Ireland Republic of Ireland SKY poll - Just 7% think Ireland should give some compromise to help the UK - 60% think Irish Gov doing a good job - 84% think UK Gov doing a bad job- 64% of RoI would support unity with N.I. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Looks like May is going to change tomorrow’s vote from a ‘meaningful’ and binding one to a provisional and non-binding vote, in an attempt to drag this out to the EU Council on March 22nd. Astounding, really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Paco said: Looks like May is going to change tomorrow’s vote from a ‘meaningful’ and binding one to a provisional and non-binding vote, in an attempt to drag this out to the EU Council on March 22nd. Astounding, really. Talk of a cabinet rebellion if she does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Racist Rudd and a couple of no mark suits walking out won't hurt her too much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Granny Danger Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, Paco said: Looks like May is going to change tomorrow’s vote from a ‘meaningful’ and binding one to a provisional and non-binding vote, in an attempt to drag this out to the EU Council on March 22nd. Astounding, really. 19 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Talk of a cabinet rebellion if she does. Parliament as a whole will reject this. She’s gone from someone who, just maybe, was going to pull a rabbit out of the hat to someone who had lost her last shred of dignity and credibility. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, Detournement said: Racist Rudd and a couple of no mark suits walking out won't hurt her too much. Apparently the brexiteers are as fed up with her as the remainers and inbetweeners, so if they all gang up on her she's fucked, although they have no way of forcing her out with a vote till December. I think a GE is getting more likely, there is no Government anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Apparently the brexiteers are as fed up with her as the remainers and inbetweeners, so if they all gang up on her she's fucked, although they have no way of forcing her out with a vote till December. I think a GE is getting more likely, there is no Government anymore. I wouldn't worry about it, we haven't had a government here for two years... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Written statement from May coming up. Bit unusual, she usually sticks up a lectern outside No 10 to say f**k all, I think it could be a biggy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Written statement from May coming up. Bit unusual, she usually sticks up a lectern outside No 10 to say f**k all, I think it could be a biggy. Probably pulling the vote as has been mentioned 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, doulikefish said: 9 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Written statement from May coming up. Bit unusual, she usually sticks up a lectern outside No 10 to say f**k all, I think it could be a biggy. Probably pulling the vote as has been mentioned If she does that there will be an utter shitstorm, unless she combines it with her resignation or calling for a GE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 39 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Apparently the brexiteers are as fed up with her as the remainers and inbetweeners, so if they all gang up on her she's fucked, although they have no way of forcing her out with a vote till December. I think a GE is getting more likely, there is no Government anymore. I don't see her leading them into another GE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 If she does pull the vote then Labour need to go for another vote of confidence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Another possibility is she'll ask parliament to vote for an amended deal that the EU haven't agreed to, and let the EU Council of Ministers say yeah or nay to it at the meeting on the 21st/22nd. Which would leave one week to go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1105067367518912512 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Jack D Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Looks like the meaningful vote will be on a deal which the EU hasn't (and has stated that it will never) agreed to. Wow, looking to frame this as the EU being the bad guys. Be a laugh if they can't even get this conditional deal passed... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1105067367518912512 A meaningful vote can be provisional I suppose. If this is the way things go, it's the most astounding thing that has happened in this whole process IMO. In my mind, it'd be May pretty much giving up on agreeing a deal and looking for ammunition to spin it as the big bad EU being unreasonable in a few weeks time when we get some real chaos. The sad thing is, it's possibly a good idea to keep electoral dominance. The press have been feeding EU myths for decades now, I think you'd at least get half of the electorate sucking it up and Murdoch et al would be happy to do the dirty work. It doesn't really matter if most of the country don't like them or suffer hardship, it just takes around 30% of eligible voters to keep them in a position to form a government and they can do that with a coalition of the well off and those who are vulnerable to psychological warfare. Labour being praised for having a great election campaign and a shockingly good performance but there still being a 55 seat gap shows just how bad a state they are in and how standards have fallen. To stop this, I don't know what can really be done anymore. It doesn't seem like the opposition are finding this mechanism to avoid this scenario and the government are setting the agenda and handling time in parliament. It's possibly going to take a dozen MPs basically ending their prospects as future politicians and voting against their own government in a confidence motion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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