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1 minute ago, Baxter Parp said:

You're kidding, David Davies spent two years doing f**k all. This mess is completely owned by the current government, including the backstop.

Ignore him; for some inexplicable reason welshbairn has become an apologist and advocate for May’s shitty deal.

Thankfully he’s in the minority on here and in the HoC.

 

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22 minutes ago, tarapoa said:

My MP Bowie voted against every conceivable outcome IMG_0069.jpg

 

7 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

So what outcome does he want to see?

 

 

IIRC Andrew Bowie is Theresa May's private secretary so I assume he's all in on her deal.

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5 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Ignore him; for some inexplicable reason welshbairn has become an apologist and advocate for May’s shitty deal.

Thankfully he’s in the minority on here and in the HoC.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

This makes your post that I replied to a complete nonsense.

I refer you both to an article linked by another poster earlier.

https://www.politico.eu/article/how-uk-lost-brexit-eu-negotiation/

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So, still no chance of this going through tomorrow, with most Tories now on board and the potential of some Labour switchers? The whips mean nothing inn the Commons now.

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9 minutes ago, Jedi said:

So, still no chance of this going through tomorrow, with most Tories now on board and the potential of some Labour switchers? The whips mean nothing inn the Commons now.

 

Arithmetic is currently as follows, there are 638 voting MPs (650 total minus the speaker and his 3 deputies, 7 SF members and one vacancy)

 

Tories: 313

Labour: 243

SNP: 35

Lib Dems: 11

TIG: 11

DUP: 10

Independents (ex. TIG members): 10

Plaid Cymru: 4

Greens: 1

320 votes will be needed to pass the deal. 

Out of the 10 non-TIG independents you have a 4-6 split of those who have previously backed the deal and those who have not, so in short there are 237 Tories, 3 Labour MPs and 4 independents who have previously backed May's deal.

 

If every single Tory votes in favour tomorrow as well as the 3 Labour rebels and 4 independents, the result will be 320-318 for the Ayes, so it looks like a straight fight between how many Tory rebels go against the deal versus how many Labour rebels back it (excluding of course the three who already back it)

 

I suspect the no's will still have it. I expect around 25 Tory rebels whereas the Labour rebel numbers probably still in single figures. The only thing that may swing it is if the Tories can convince their rebels to abstain instead of voting no.

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So, still no chance of this going through tomorrow, with most Tories now on board and the potential of some Labour switchers? The whips mean nothing inn the Commons now.

Is it not a free vote tomorrow meaning the whips have no real influence over the party MPs? Or was that just for the 8 votes last night?
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So, still no chance of this going through tomorrow, with most Tories now on board and the potential of some Labour switchers? The whips mean nothing inn the Commons now.

Is it not a free vote tomorrow meaning the whips have no real influence over the party MPs? Or was that just for the 8 votes last night?
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5 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said:


Is it not a free vote tomorrow meaning the whips have no real influence over the party MPs? Or was that just for the 8 votes last night?

 

Even the votes with strong three line whips recently have been rebelled against in large numbers. Other than frontbenchers who'd have to quit their positions to rebel, an awful lot of backbenchers in both Labour and the Tories are blatantly ignoring the whips at this point.

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1 hour ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said:
1 hour ago, Baxter Parp said:
You're kidding, David Davies spent two years doing f**k all. This mess is completely owned by the current government, including the backstop.

TBF to David Davies he wasn't even the Brexit Secretary which made it difficult for him to do anything.

Oh har har, Davis then.

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23 minutes ago, Donathan said:

 

Even the votes with strong three line whips recently have been rebelled against in large numbers. Other than frontbenchers who'd have to quit their positions to rebel, an awful lot of backbenchers in both Labour and the Tories are blatantly ignoring the whips at this point.

Absolutely, which is why it is difficult to call the numbers for tomorrow. Could still be enough Labour rebels.

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6 minutes ago, Carl Cort's Hamstring said:

Emily Maitliss giving Rees-Mogg a proper grilling on Newsnight. Political journalists should be like this more often.

She's clearly had enough off the lot of them. :lol:

 

Emily should have got the QT gig, and Fiona Bruce should have stuck with the Antiques Road Show.

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4 hours ago, welshbairn said:

It's the EU who made it a blind Brexit. They refused to negotiate the final trade deal until withdrawal had been settled. So only the financial settlement, protection for EU citizens here and Brits in Europe, and keeping an open border in Ireland have been agreed. In 3 years. The Political Declaration is non binding.

 

14 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

How does this relate to your original post?

What bit do you disagree with?

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