Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[John Lambies Doos]

Ken Clarke temporary PM [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

[BawWatchin]

If it's only a temporary post to steer the UK away from Brexit, then why does it matter if it's Corbyn?

Face it, the lib dems are tories.

[Detournement]

It's only natural that the party with 14 MPs pick the PM.

[vikingTON]

4 minutes ago, Detournement said:

It's only natural that the party with 14 MPs pick the PM.

The last PM was picked by ten MPs from a failed statelet; dry your eyes. 

[vikingTON]

16 minutes ago, BawWatchin said:

If it's only a temporary post to steer the UK away from Brexit, then why does it matter if it's Corbyn?

Because the Mumbleclown patently cannot command the majority support in Commons needed to be appointed to said post by the Queen. His place at the top of the list will not stop pro-Brexit Labour rebels breaking their party whip, while at the same time encouraging dozens of wavering Tories to get back in line and block any such administration taking office. This is astonishingly basic stuff, which is why even a fucking moron like Jo Swinson and the Lib Dems understand it. 

When the MacDonald government fell in 1931 the then leader of the opposition party, Stanley Baldwin, did not become PM as a result. When the Chamberlain government fell in 1940 the then leader of the opposition party, Clement Attlee, did not become PM as a result. The UK political system does not operate on a Buggins' turn principle.  On both occasions the succeeding government was led by a faction of the previous regime with the support of parties from the other side of the aisle - that is the only realistic way that any such temporary coalition can be put together now as well. 

Edited August 15, 2019 by vikingTON

[WhiteRoseKillie]

He has the right to ask, he won't get it. It's not about who deserves the job or would be best at it, it's about who could get enough votes to stop Boris and his hard Brexit, and force an election. Corbyn isn't it.

So who is it, then? There are plenty in the HoC with the same problems re: personality over policy when it comes to the leader of the Labour party as Swinson has so gracelessly demonstrated. No-one has yet come up with a name who would command more support. Can you?

[NotThePars]

Liberal Leninists going full accelerationist and supporting a hard Brexit. You love to see it.

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

He has the right to ask, he won't get it. It's not about who deserves the job or would be best at it, it's about who could get enough votes to stop Boris and his hard Brexit, and force an election. Corbyn isn't it.

So who is it, then? There are plenty in the HoC with the same problems re: personality over policy when it comes to the leader of the Labour party as Swinson has so gracelessly demonstrated. No-one has yet come up with a name who would command more support. Can you?

Someone who's no threat to anyone, who's retiring before the next GE, who's passionately and pragmatically pro European. I give you....jazz fiend in the comfortable shoes... Ken Clarke! He'd only be in the job for a few weeks, would get the support of the tory rebels, the independents, Lib Dems, SNP and most of Labour if Corbyn backs him. It's purely a mechanism to get a general election. Corbyn's the antichrist to too many MPs, the numbers don't add up.

[NotThePars]

Someone who's no threat to anyone, who's retiring before the next GE, who's passionately and pragmatically pro European. I give you....jazz fiend in the comfortable shoes... Ken Clarke! He'd only be in the job for a few weeks, would get the support of the tory rebels, the independents, Lib Dems, SNP and most of Labour if Corbyn backs him. It's purely a mechanism to get a general election. Corbyn's the antichrist to too many MPs, the numbers don't add up.

Anyone in the Thatcher government should be automatically excluded. The GNU should be led by the only party untainted by the Brexit process. Sinn Fein with Gerry Adams as PM.

[Paco]

Is there an MP anywhere who openly backed Brexit before the referendum, but is utterly opposed to No Deal?

Probably not, but they’d maybe be a nice happy medium. I’ve already seen the word ‘coup’ used to describe Corbyn being installed as a temporary PM. Ironic really, that the right-wing rags don’t really understand what a coup is.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

43 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Someone who's no threat to anyone, who's retiring before the next GE, who's passionately and pragmatically pro European. I give you....jazz fiend in the comfortable shoes... Ken Clarke! He'd only be in the job for a few weeks, would get the support of the tory rebels, the independents, Lib Dems, SNP and most of Labour if Corbyn backs him. It's purely a mechanism to get a general election. Corbyn's the antichrist to too many MPs, the numbers don't add up.

 

33 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 

Anyone in the Thatcher government should be automatically excluded. The GNU should be led by the only party untainted by the Brexit process. Sinn Fein with Gerry Adams as PM.

 

WelshBairn - once again, in case you missed it first time round. CLARKE IS A FUCKING TORY. Not only sits as a Tory MP, but is right-wing from the top of his comically-reddened head to the tip of his laughable footwear. He may be retiring from the House at (not before) the GE, but he is still part of, and beholden to, the same network that got him, and kept him, in the House. These "big beasts" don't just fade into the sunset - look at Heseltine. Mandelson, Bliar, Mandelson and the rest. 

I would love to see all the SF MPs stand down and by-elections held leading to another 7 pro-remain mps - again, with the proviso that come the GE it's back to business as usual. Fucking Johnson and Foster over in one fell swoop. That would be absolutely glorious. 

[Cerberus]

The lovely Jo Swinson is correct.

Crazy Corbyn is toxic on both sides. Charles Clarke, Harriet Harman or another person would be better to lead an interm government.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

55 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Liberal Leninists going full accelerationist and supporting a hard Brexit. You love to see it.

Swinson has made a complete cúnt of it today by winning the race to get in front of the cameras/microphones first. Luvverly!

Even Caroline the Tree-Hugger has appealed to Queen Jo to act like a grown-up. Yay for the sisterhood!

[WhiteRoseKillie]

9 minutes ago, Cerberus said:

The lovely Jo Swinson is correct.

Crazy Corbyn is toxic on both sides. Charles Clarke, Harriet Harman or another person would be better to lead an interm government.

1. No she really isn't.

2. Charles Clarke (Labour) retired in 2010, being succeeded in Norwich South by Clive Lewis. He would still be a better choice than Ken Clarke. 

3. Harman was in charge of the DHSS when single parent benefit was cut - no sisterly solidarity there, She voted for the Iraq war, and was referred to the EC for irregularities (i.e. fiddling) in the accounts for her campaign for Deputy Leader.  

I'm still waiting for the name who would command more support than Corbyn. I am aware that he may not get a majority, but who will? So far all I've heard are mindless repetition of the same names getting bandied about because they're familiar, with no coherent case being put forward for any. 

Edited August 15, 2019 by WhiteRoseKillie

[welshbairn]

2 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

once again, in case you missed it first time round

It doesn't fucking matter if he's a nazi war criminal, it's a mechanism to stop a hard brexit and get a GE. He can get the numbers, Corbyn can't. It's not about who's the best person to lead the country, it's about finding a tool for a specific job that will last a matter of weeks.

[welshbairn]

6 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

I am aware that he may not get a majority

So what is the fucking point?

[BawWatchin]

2 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

It doesn't fucking matter if he's a nazi war criminal, it's a mechanism to stop a hard brexit and get a GE. He can get the numbers, Corbyn can't. It's not about who's the best person to lead the country, it's about finding a tool for a specific job that will last a matter of weeks.

and what if the tool refuses to step down? What if the tool decideds that seeing as the country is literally full of tools he may as well be top tool?

[BawWatchin]

1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

So what is the fucking point?

Gonne stop saying fucking?

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, BawWatchin said:

Gonne stop saying fucking?

f**k off. Whiterosekillie started it.

[dirty dingus]

Couple o wrong 'uns actively turning blind eyes to the paedos.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/child-protection/12188024/Kenneth-Clarke-failed-to-act-over-Lord-Janner-and-Cyril-Smith-child-abuse-tip-offs.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10659100/Harriet-Harman-Jack-Dromey-Patricia-Hewitt-and-the-Paedophile-Information-Exchange.html