Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[NotThePars]

I’ve watched a shark commandeer a tornado. So that’s the apex predator.

[Granny Danger]

Is the delay from the Supreme Court anything to do with the Labour Party Conference?

[welshbairn]

2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Is the delay from the Supreme Court anything to do with the Labour Party Conference?

I doubt it. There's unusually quite a few judges turning up for the decision which would suggest a few dissenting opinions and lengthy discussions. 10.30 tomorrow morning.

[Pet Jeden]

20 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

A bit off the usual track of this thread. As someone who loves marine life in particular sharks, brexit actually makes it legal for shark fin trading to occur in the UK as the ban on fining is an EU ban. There is currently nothing on the horizon in the UK to put in place a new ban post brexit. Given the UK’s position in fishing etc this actually contributes to the already grave danger for these marine species.

Basically its a bit of an ecological as well as economical clusterfuck.

Well, maybe if the EU hadn't spent the last 3 years acting like a bitter husband who's wife is leaving him, and maybe if Remainiacs hadn't spent the last 3 years making it a battle for Brexit to happen at all, then maybe the government might have been able to do a bit more forward planning. (Although whether Theresa the Jellyfish could even plan a piss-up in a brewery is open to question).

[doulikefish]

"Everybody else's fault" obviously

Well, maybe if the EU hadn't spent the last 3 years acting like a bitter husband who's wife is leaving him, and maybe if Remainiacs hadn't spent the last 3 years making it a battle for Brexit to happen at all, then maybe the government might have been able to do a bit more forward planning. (Although whether Theresa the Jellyfish could even plan a piss-up in a brewery is open to question).

[Rodhull]

6 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

Well, maybe if the EU hadn't spent the last 3 years acting like a bitter husband who's wife is leaving him, and maybe if Remainiacs hadn't spent the last 3 years making it a battle for Brexit to happen at all, then maybe the government might have been able to do a bit more forward planning. (Although whether Theresa the Jellyfish could even plan a piss-up in a brewery is open to question).

The government doing any planning at all would have probably been a good start. Hard to believe the EU didn't just accept all their assurances that they would solve all the border problems with technology that hadn't been invented yet.

[Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo]

9 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

Well, maybe if the EU hadn't spent the last 3 years acting like a bitter husband who's wife is leaving him, and maybe if Remainiacs hadn't spent the last 3 years making it a battle for Brexit to happen at all, then maybe the government might have been able to do a bit more forward planning. (Although whether Theresa the Jellyfish could even plan a piss-up in a brewery is open to question).

His wife is acting like an utter arsehole, to be fair. I'm genuinely surprised at some of the concessions they have given. The undemocratic backstop, for example, is an incredible relaxation of the rules. 

[welshbairn]

If only someone from the Brexit side would remind us of which EU rules we want rid of so much that it's worth throwing out 40 years of economic and political cooperation for, it might make it easier to understand their position.

[Ira Gaines]

Semi regular reminder that the EU owe us f**k all, and are correct to look after their own interests. If the UK government was even remotely willing to look after the country, this entire thing wouldn't be happening in the first place, so at least one of the two unions is doing something right.

It's not the UK that's doing it right btw.

[Bairnardo]

If only someone from the Brexit side would remind us of which EU rules we want rid of so much that it's worth throwing out 40 years of economic and political cooperation for, it might make it easier to understand their position.

I often challenge Brexit supporters I know this way. When they give it "ruled by Brussels" etc. Tell me examples of EU law that you disagree with, and have been imposed on us, which contradict or overrule the previous legislation.

In almost all aspects of Brexit support, a request to drill down to the next level of detail kills the conversation stone dead.

[Detournement]

5 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

If only someone from the Brexit side would remind us of which EU rules we want rid of so much that it's worth throwing out 40 years of economic and political cooperation for, it might make it easier to understand their position.

Freedom of capital, freedom of movement, freedom of services.

Stability and Growth Pact. Mercosur treaty. Posted Worker Directive. Viking ruling. The recent ruling on the rights of digital corporations such as AirBnB. 

Undemocratic Commission. 

[Bairnardo]

2 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Freedom of capital, freedom of movement, freedom of services.

Stability and Growth Pact. Mercosur treaty. Posted Worker Directive. Viking ruling. The recent ruling on the rights of digital corporations such as AirBnB. 

Undemocratic Commission. 

Why do you want rid of freedom of movement?

[welshbairn]

The EU has done more than anyone to take on the power of the tech giants. That's why Trump and a lot of other Americans want to to see it disintegrate, piece by piece. The UK has fuckall leverage on its own.

As far as democracy, it's the eurosceptics who have done all they can to limit the power of the directly elected parliament and give it to the nations appointed placemen, appointed by elected governments. But all the important decisions are made by the Council of Ministers.

Edited September 23, 2019 by welshbairn

[Detournement]

4 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Why do you want rid of freedom of movement?

It drives down wages and conditions and worsens the housing crisis and strain on services.

[Detournement]

1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

The EU has done more than anyone to take on the power of the tech giants. That's why Trump and a lot of other Americans want to to see it disintegrate, piece by piece. The UK has fuckall leverage on its own.

Allowing them to pay zero point hee haw tax on their EEA wide profits in Ireland, Holland, Luxembourg and Switzerland isn't taking them on in my book. 

 

[Bairnardo]

It drives down wages and conditions and worsens the housing crisis and strain on services.

Is there evidence for this

[welshbairn]

5 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Allowing them to pay zero point hee haw tax on their EEA wide profits in Ireland, Holland, Luxembourg and Switzerland isn't taking them on in my book. 

 

They ordered Amazon to pay billions of back taxes to Ireland, which the Irish are ferociously resisting. It's the members who are mitigating the effects of EU judgements. They can't be monolithic and unable to ride over individual states wishes at the same time.

Edited September 23, 2019 by welshbairn

[NotThePars]

It drives down wages and conditions and worsens the housing crisis and strain on services.

No it doesn’t, shut up. Stricter immigration controls drives down wages and conditions as precarious migrant workers can’t organise for fear of deportation.

[NotThePars]

FFS if you’re going to play act as a leftist then don’t lead your critiques of the EU (which deserves to be slagged for a multitude of reasons) with the fact it lets workers move around.

[Detournement]

10 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

15 minutes ago, Detournement said:

It drives down wages and conditions and worsens the housing crisis and strain on services.

Is there evidence for this

Labour is a commodity and subject to commodity law. Labour share of GDP has dropped in UK, Germany and France since FoM. Wages are actually rising now despite stagnating growth due to drop immigration.

I surely don't need to give examples of the housing crisis or that services are under pressure. This is obviously isn't primarily due to FoM but it is clearly exacerabted by it.