McSpreader Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 7 hours ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: This is it in a nutshell. I often feel uncomfortable defending the EU however, being a member with significant influence and pushing for reform was always the sensible option. Brexit (and Trump) were knee jerk reactions to complex issues. Globalization, immigration, wage contraction, the rich/poor gap, an increasingly malign corporate influence. It's just some folk haven't realised that Brexit and Trump are just more of the same but with added nationalism. Cameron tried reform of free movement and was snubbed.......that was what decided the result of the referendum. It's true re: kneejerk reactions. It's a salutary lesson for politicians to listen to the electorate more and not to impose radical policies on people against their will. Brexit , and Trump are all knee jerk, ill-considered reactions by a dissatisfied electorate and I would suggest calls for indy ref2 is of the same Nationalistic ilk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Never mind the various Labour/LibDem/Tory MPs that get fast tracked to the House of Lords year after year THIS is the real democratic disgrace 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 12, 2017 Author Share Posted July 12, 2017 Never mind the various Labour/LibDem/Tory MPs that get fast tracked to the House of Lords year after year THIS is the real democratic disgrace That aside. It just amazes me how May is still PM. Apart from her being shite.. she did the following Called a GE because of her personal greed (cost country tens of millions), lost her majority, and then paid litterly a bung of 1billion + to a bigoted NI party to prop up her minority government. Just beggers belief... of course the needle returns to the start of the song and we all sing along like before 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Michele Barnier 'I hear no whistling, only a clock ticking'.[emoji41] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 54 minutes ago, GTG_03 said: Michele Barnier 'I hear no whistling, only a clock ticking'. More signs of the EU playing hard ball here and it's absolutely glorious! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 During the Brexit campaign I heard various leave politicians giving it "They need us more than we need them" and I thought at the time bit of bravado bit of arrogance. I now firmly believe they thought the EU was going to bend over backwards for a deal with the UK. Now that it seems this is not the case and they really don't "need us more than we need them" they seem a bit shell-shocked and don't know what to do next. I think that was partly behind May's "We need concensus" speech. It's like we're not taking the blame when it goes tits up, everybody needs to take the blame. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIEA Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Scottish farmers warning that many may go out of business once EU subsidies end. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 12 minutes ago, WILLIEA said: Scottish farmers warning that many may go out of business once EU subsidies end. But still, taking back control and that for Queen and country... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, WILLIEA said: Scottish farmers warning that many may go out of business once EU subsidies end. It won't happen. The Tory government will subsidise farmers in Scotland (and the rest of the UK) to make sure it does not happen. Of course the moral argument of supporting a particular industry which is dominated by Tory supporters will be brushed aside. That said farmers who depend on EU migrant labour are going to struggle; of that I am convinced. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: It won't happen. The Tory government will subsidise farmers in Scotland (and the rest of the UK) to make sure it does not happen. Of course the moral argument of supporting a particular industry which is dominated by Tory supporters will be brushed aside. That said farmers who depend on EU migrant labour are going to struggle; of that I am convinced. They will bus in the unemployed from all over the country to work on the farms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Colkitto said: They will bus in the unemployed from all over the country to work on the farms. i would not be surprised if they tried. I would be astounded if it were successful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Just now, Granny Danger said: i would not be surprised if they tried. I would be astounded if it were successful. Wouldn't surprise me either.... Also, with the subsidies I can only see the UK subsidising for a short while after Brexit. It won't be sustainable in the long run. Payments will decrease as time goes on to the point where farmers will go out of business 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Colkitto said: During the Brexit campaign I heard various leave politicians giving it "They need us more than we need them" and I thought at the time bit of bravado bit of arrogance. I now firmly believe they thought the EU was going to bend over backwards for a deal with the UK. Now that it seems this is not the case and they really don't "need us more than we need them" they seem a bit shell-shocked and don't know what to do next. I think that was partly behind May's "We need concensus" speech. It's like we're not taking the blame when it goes tits up, everybody needs to take the blame. That's cause those people thought being dependent on EU imports more than the EU needing UK exports was a good thing. Despite that scenario never being true in human history Edited July 12, 2017 by Antiochas III 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 If we all start buying British oranges and British chorizo then it is problem solved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Along with British BMW's and Audis! What if Michelin starred chefs in Paris stop demanding Scottish langoustines though? Could spell trouble.As if that's ever going to happen! [emoji16] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 What if Michelin starred chefs in Paris stop demanding Scottish langoustines though? Could spell trouble.As if that's ever going to happen! [emoji16] They might start buying Norwegian instead as our fishermen would no longer have preferential access to French markets If you're Scottish and like Langoustines then the upside would be that they'd become cheaper domestically 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: They might start buying Norwegian instead as our fishermen would no longer have preferential access to French markets If you're Scottish and like Langoustines then the upside would be that they'd become cheaper domestically The Norwegian fishermen are probably very similar to the Scottish ones in IQ. Big campaign got them exemption along with Agriculture from the Norway/EU single market deal. When it took effect they were scunnered to find out there would a substantial tariff on fish sold to the EU. Now they're campaigning for full EU membership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 12, 2017 Author Share Posted July 12, 2017 I hope so. Brexit was always a farce but I do think Mrs May has acquitted herself well so far. Couldn't resist 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Just now, John Lambies Doos said: Couldn't resist Rightly so - have a Charles. In my litany of shite posts this yin takes some living down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 6 hours ago, WILLIEA said: Scottish farmers warning that many may go out of business once EU subsidies end. f**k them. They'll have played a massive part in their own downfall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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