RiG Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 On 11/01/2021 at 00:29, welshbairn said: (nicked from @Jimmy Shaker on Fitbanorth who nicked it from Heartless Puta.) Sadly that's not what is going on in the video. The passenger refused to wear a face covering. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 hours ago, dirty dingus said: Mike Pence refuses to oust Trump. What goes on in his head? His gaffer tried to get a mob of hillbilly racist to string him up, then he goes against him to call in the NG, then he meekly backs him. Trump must have some amount of shit on Pence. Nah, he lets Trump run for another week or makes himself the number 1 target for far right arseholes for the rest of his days. These people will let him off with not sending the election result back but firing The Donald would be off the scale for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Do they have remote voting so the Democrats who have got Coronavirus can still vote? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Everybody is just refusing to have anything to do with Trumps administration.Eu and Nato officials were too "busy" to meet with Mike Pompeo yesterday and today in Brussels 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amidst-tundra Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Is an impeachment against Trump really a good idea for the Democrats? Aside from stoking the KKKultists, there is a tiny chance he could run in four years that would just total any hopes for the Republican candidate. Surely just let him ride noisily into the sunset instead of barring him from running again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aDONisSheep Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, amidst-tundra said: Is an impeachment against Trump really a good idea for the Democrats? Aside from stoking the KKKultists, there is a tiny chance he could run in four years that would just total any hopes for the Republican candidate. Surely just let him ride noisily into the sunset instead of barring him from running again. The problem the republicans have is that Trump could choose to run again in 2024 and he has such a stranglehold on much of the 'conservative' base that he'd likely win their nomination. Ultimately though, he'd lose the election again. The more progressive (stop laughing at the back) wing of the republican party have softened or turned against him, and the Democratic base has hardened. In addition, not doing anything about Trump, gives the Democrats an easy set of talking points in lets be honest 2 years time. He is the boogey man that the liberals can rally against (both conservative and progressives). Finally, they are losing donors both corporate and individuals (Koch brothers anyone). Money talks in US elections and the GOP are seeing their core (rich) base shrinking. However it could also backfire if they do censure him. It could split the party with the creation of a new nut-job party that takes enough votes away from the GOP in the mid-terms, to ensure that the Democrats win again. I suspect they are all busy working out which is the least damaging route. I would be amazed if they are not looking at the reaction to Cheney's announcement in forensic detail, to see if it damages or helps her. Yours aDONis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, amidst-tundra said: Is an impeachment against Trump really a good idea for the Democrats? Aside from stoking the KKKultists, there is a tiny chance he could run in four years that would just total any hopes for the Republican candidate. Surely just let him ride noisily into the sunset instead of barring him from running again. It may be the easy option but you cannot have the person in the highest position in the US basically trying to start a civil war because he had his feelings hurt and then be given a free pass for his crimes. Edited January 13, 2021 by dirty dingus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Other thing is surely a fair chunk of the Democrat vote would be massively fucked off at them if they don’t impeach Trump for this. I know the next set of elections are a while away, but still something they’ll need to consider. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisal Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Maybe I've got it all wrong. To me Impeachment system just seems wrong. It's decided by a political vote. You've either committed a crime or you haven't. There should be an independent means of judging this. Not decided by party politics. If Trump gets impeached his supporters will just say it's a political decision. If he doesn't the his detractors will say he was let of because Pence didn't have the political will to impeach. Doesn't seem very robust. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Londonwell said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55642101 Maybe they will have the numbers to impeach after all! 2 minutes ago, thisal said: Maybe I've got it all wrong. To me Impeachment system just seems wrong. It's decided by a political vote. You've either committed a crime or you haven't. There should be an independent means of judging this. Not decided by party politics. If Trump gets impeached his supporters will just say it's a political decision. If he doesn't the his detractors will say he was let of because Pence didn't have the political will to impeach. Doesn't seem very robust. What’s the alternative, let SCOTUS decide? Given the politicisation of SC appointments that’s no more robust. I think the two-thirds requirement in the Senate makes it as robust as any alternative. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 5 hours ago, dirty dingus said: Mike Pence refuses to oust Trump. What goes on in his head? His gaffer tried to get a mob of hillbilly racist to string him up, then he goes against him to call in the NG, then he meekly backs him. Trump must have some amount of shit on Pence. I'd guess that in the role of POTUS you get to know things other might not, Trump doesn't look like the type to keep his mouth shut. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghPar1975 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I thought that impeachment was the only way to stop him running again? The 25th wouldn't have done that, just removed him at this time - it can also be a lengthy process due to appeals etc. Pence likely rejected it as it would have been mental to try and invoke that given the GOP base but also as it would be useless with the time remaining. The fact that it was voted for him to act was quite symbolic but i think the impeachment will go through and likely be timed in such a way that it can be actioned in part now with most of it in a few months so the Donald would be out of office, Biden would've got his COVID relief stuff done and his folks sworn in. Also noticed Deutsche Bank cutting ties with the orange one, wonder how long till be see some strategic bankrupting of companies he's tied to? No way he's paying back the $340m due.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, EdinburghPar1975 said: I thought that impeachment was the only way to stop him running again? The 25th wouldn't have done that, just removed him at this time - it can also be a lengthy process due to appeals etc. The 14th Amendment's the quickest way, just a simple majority in both houses, they could do it in a day but it would probably be dragged through the courts for a bit. Quote No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 The Republicans have got themselves into a position where they're tied to far-right nutjobs. Unfortunately those nutjobs are everywhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 6 hours ago, dirty dingus said: Mike Pence refuses to oust Trump. What goes on in his head? His gaffer tried to get a mob of hillbilly racist to string him up, then he goes against him to call in the NG, then he meekly backs him. Trump must have some amount of shit on Pence. Trump probably manoeuvred Pence into being in a room alone with Melania or Ivanka and locked the door. Just imagine the poor b*****d screaming and clawing at the windows in terror that The Beast was about to emerge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDuffman Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 An American work colleague just explained Pence is refusing to remove Trump using 25th Ammendment as this is for use when the President is incapable due to illness or surgery etc. He is basically just following the rules - even if he tried it wouldn't work. Impeachment is different - this could stop him running for office. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, MacDuffman said: An American work colleague just explained Pence is refusing to remove Trump using 25th Ammendment as this is for use when the President is incapable due to illness or surgery etc. He is basically just following the rules - even if he tried it wouldn't work. Impeachment is different - this could stop him running for office. Your American work colleague is mistaken. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aDONisSheep Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) Section 4 has never been used though, so Pence (and the wider cabinet) would be setting a precedent. You'd have to be sure that the president was 'incapable' of carrying out his duties, and let's be honest, in the absence of an incapacitating illness, that is a pretty high bar to clear. Is it worth the risk? He'd be letting it slide for two weeks and Trump is a lazy president, who's just fucked up, and will be impeached by the House. Would be funny as anything if he votes for Impeachment though! Yours aDONis P.S. Don't be surprised if you hear calls for the 25th on Joe Biden. They are already sowing the seeds of 'senility' and questioning his cognitive powers. Edited January 13, 2021 by aDONisSheep 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 7 hours ago, spongeheid15 said: You could try but your heid would be full o lumps So you think it's ok to use violence to silence free speech? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Biden's brain has obviously checked out but it's not like he's the first president to be sundowning in office. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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