O'Kelly Isley III Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 8 hours ago, TxRover said: GW Bush, Ronald Reagan, Hebert Hoover, Calvin Coolidge, U.S. Grant, Andrew Jackson, just to name a few dfi's. You forgot this guy..... https://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1879648_1879646_1879696,00.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said: @TxRover ... given Trump's attitudes to women, folk with disabilities, former POWs, the separation of Church and State, immigrants, honesty and election processes it would be really funny if such an astute financial wizard was snookered over his great god MONEY. It would actually be very American. Consider Al Capone, he finally went to jail for a monetary crime…which is bad news for those hoping the insurrection charges will do Trump… 47 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: You forgot this guy..... https://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1879648_1879646_1879696,00.html Good one. It’s actually impressive how low Trump’s Administration is already considered to have been on the best/worst list. Most lists seem to place him about tied for second worst with his hero, Andrew Jackson. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Interesting, in a footnote (#6) of the financial report issued by the court appointed monitor, it appears that Trump created a springing loan (which is a tool used by lenders in loans to poor risk borrowers) from himself to an entity owned solely by himself, possibly as a tax avoidance strategy in response to the paying off of a loan in Chicago. This was the $48 million dollar loan that had no paperwork, no loan documents and no evidence of existence. In short, Donald Trump supposedly loaned a Donald Trump company $48 million, on terms reserved for high risk borrowers, which allowed an avoidance of some taxes owed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 28/01/2024 at 14:24, TxRover said: It would actually be very American. Consider Al Capone, he finally went to jail for a monetary crime…which is bad news for those hoping the insurrection charges will do Trump… Good one. It’s actually impressive how low Trump’s Administration is already considered to have been on the best/worst list. Most lists seem to place him about tied for second worst with his hero, Andrew Jackson. A great point of reference for the Presidents of the 1920's is 'One Summer: America 1927' by Bill Bryson. On page 270 there's a quote by Harding's mistress, one Nan Britton, with definite Trumpian vibes where they repeatedly had sexual congress in a tiny White House cloakroom. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) Chutkin has delayed trail start, likely at least 2 month's, due to D.C. Appeals not ruling yet. Possibly June now. Georgia hearing on Feb 15 on the Willis issue, along with a setting hearing for the New York criminal case on falsification of campaign documents jumping to the front of the line. Florida, nothing doing. Edited to add: Forgot to mention the news Engoron is apparently delaying his verdict pending the outcome of Weisselberg’s possible plea deal admitting to perjury in the case. Edited February 6 by TxRover 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Engoron sent an email to Trump’s lawyers, as “Officers of the Court”, yesterday demanding them to answer by 5PM EST tomorrow (7 Feb) if Weisselberg committed perjury. This is kinda a big problem for Donnie, as it could result in the judge legally deciding to ignore all of Weisselberg’s testimony AND draw a negative inference. Even better, any weaselling or avoidance in the response could expose them to sanction themselves. Also, the D.C. Appeals ruling came down, 57 pages destroying Trump’s argument for immunity. 12 Feb deadline to appeal and request a stay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 11 hours ago, TxRover said: Engoron sent an email to Trump’s lawyers, as “Officers of the Court”, yesterday demanding them to answer by 5PM EST tomorrow (7 Feb) if Weisselberg committed perjury. This is kinda a big problem for Donnie, as it could result in the judge legally deciding to ignore all of Weisselberg’s testimony AND draw a negative inference. Even better, any weaselling or avoidance in the response could expose them to sanction themselves. Also, the D.C. Appeals ruling came down, 57 pages destroying Trump’s argument for immunity. 12 Feb deadline to appeal and request a stay. To be honest the verdict doesn't matter - it's just another cog in his delay tactics. It's clear his longterm aim is to get reelected then change the laws so he can't ever be prosecuted again. Edited February 7 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 49 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: To be honest the verdict doesn't matter - it's just another cog in his delay tactics. It's clear his longterm aim is to get reelected then change the laws so he can't ever be prosecuted again. There is a pretty simple "smell test" that needs to be applied to Trump and his attempts at immunity from prosecution. To all those Republicans on the nutters wing in the USA, I'd just ask a simple question... "What would you think if Obama or Biden did it?" ...and that, folks would be that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 5 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: To be honest the verdict doesn't matter - it's just another cog in his delay tactics. It's clear his longterm aim is to get reelected then change the laws so he can't ever be prosecuted again. There’s a few issues here, and the way the Court ruled hurts his delaying. They refused to stay for an en banc appeal, and only allowed until Monday to get a Supreme Court stay. If the Supreme Court doesn’t stay (likely), the case is back to Chutkin Tuesday, 13 Feb and gets set again. This case could be done by the election, but it’s iffy, and would still have multiple appeal routes. Summary: The Georgia case (criminal/State) was never getting done by the election, too many moving pieces. The N.Y. Defamation trial (civil/State) is done, pending him either paying or posting about $90 million to appeal. The N.Y. Fraud trial (civil/State) is about to be done, pending the same problem. The N.Y. Reporting trial (criminal/State) is on track to start and finish quickly (Stormy Danials). The Florida Secrets trial (criminal/Federal) was never going to move quickly with Cannon involved, and may start before the election, but is probably at least 6 months from starting. The D.C. Insurrection trial (criminal/Federal) is now tracking for a May/June trial date, unlikely to finish by the election. On his campaign and changing laws, not so much as delaying. If he gets elected President, he can toll some of the State cases and either run out the Statute of Limitation or delay them until after he leaves Office again, he CANNOT do anything to change State laws or block State prosecution. On the Federal charges, he can instruct the Justice Department to drop the prosecution, once he takes Office, which would be Jan 20, 2025, not Nov 5, 2024. As for never prosecuted again, there’s no path to that. There is no conceivable way Trump could amass the necessary votes to push the Constitutional Amendment necessary to that goal. 4 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said: There is a pretty simple "smell test" that needs to be applied to Trump and his attempts at immunity from prosecution. To all those Republicans on the nutters wing in the USA, I'd just ask a simple question... "What would you think if Obama or Biden did it?" ...and that, folks would be that. That’s the fun bit. Watch MAGA interviews where they explain to people if Trump’s argument is true, what’s stopping Biden from arresting them? By Trump’s lawyers own argument before the D.C. Court of Appeals, Biden could order the assassination of Trump with no consequences if Congress didn’t vote by 2/3 to Impeach and Convict him. No Congress would pass such immunity, no Court will grant it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 15 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: To be honest the verdict doesn't matter - it's just another cog in his delay tactics. It's clear his longterm aim is to get reelected then change the laws so he can't ever be prosecuted again. I don't even think he has to change the law. A sitting president can't be prosecuted. I don't think this has ever properly been tested though. It'll end up in the Supreme Court, who I doubt will want to rule on it before the election in November. Best hope of stopping the orangutan is independent voters. Edited February 7 by Trogdor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 41 minutes ago, Trogdor said: I don't even think he has to change the law. A sitting present can't be prosecuted. I don't think this has ever properly been tested though. It'll end up in the Supreme Court, who I doubt will want to rule on it before the election in November. Best hope of stopping the orangutan is independent voters. The whole sitting President thing is mostly speculative, but the State level cases would likely be tolled, and it’s unclear if the statute of limitations attached would also be tolled. The best hope is intelligent voters….something in short supply. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Supreme Court appears unlikely to keep Trump off the Colorado ballot. Probably off-ramp will be that Congress is the judge of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, and would be expected to block the certification of the election of an insurrectionist during their certification of the election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, TxRover said: Supreme Court appears unlikely to keep Trump off the Colorado ballot. Probably off-ramp will be that Congress is the judge of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, and would be expected to block the certification of the election of an insurrectionist during their certification of the election. Wonder which would be worse? Not allowing someone to stand, this allowing the relevant political party to select an alternative candidate, or Allowing someone to stand, that person winning, possibly by a huge margin, but Congress possibly - under the control of the losing candidate's party - refusing to certify the win? Tough call. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Trump has appealed to the Supreme Court, at the last minute on 12 Feb. The Chief Justice has asked for a response from Jack Smith by 20 Feb.it is expected that smith will respond sooner than that, and there’s a fair chance the Supreme Court will reject Trump’s appeal. This does continue the stay on Chutkin’s trial. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) Trump's lawyers are trying to get Fani Willis, the Fulton County DA who's prosecuting him for trying to fix the Georgia presidential election, disbarred for shagging her deputy who paid for a couple of holidays they went on. Apparently it hinges on whether they were involved before she hired him, and whether the holidays count as quid pro quo. Live streaming from about now. Edited February 15 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 This is funny as f**k, Trump's lawyers can't find their first witness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Someone will end up being seriously hurt or killed eventually due to the number of swatting incidents that keep happening to Judges and both sides of the court rooms. No seen much on UK TV about this, US TV would have covered a number of incidents over the last few months. I would assume also on how dirty the Presidential Election later this year is going to be that the number of swatting incidents will rise. Anyone who uses swatting as a weapon regardless if they think its all a joke, it should be treated as attempted murder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 What is swatting? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: What is swatting? It's more "SWATting". When you phone the polis to say that a serious crime is taking place at an address, and the perpetrators are armed. In many parts of the US, they'll send in the Special Weapons and Tactics team to murder the shit out of everyone at the premises. At the very least, they'll kick the doors in and tear gas everyone. A side effect of the militarisation of Sheriff Billy-Bob and Deputy Cletus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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