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Forgot to bring up the Kid Rock Senate candidacy. Have y'all heard about that? Polling shows him a complete lock for the Republican nomination if he runs, and he's competitive in general election against incumbent Democrat. The polls done show him anywhere from up 2-3% to down 8%. That should be a fun race.

The mainstream media is taking it seriously.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/23/kid-rock-run-senate-serious-michigan-analysis-215408

I think it's important to take a step back and look at America's first experience with the guy who's considered a lock for a Senatorial Republican nomination in Trump's America.

 

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On 31/07/2017 at 20:40, welshbairn said:

The wife left him because he got obsessed about Trump. Trump hired a demented celebrity stalker as Director of Communications. He had to get escorted out of the Whitehouse by security.

 

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I genuinely believe he is an idiot. He really sounds thick as shit every time he tweets. He makes up self aggrandizing stories that are untrue then shouts 'fake news' when he gets contradicted. I have never wished death on anyone but he is an old man and the world would be a much better place if he had a cardiac arrest and had to step down.

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On 03/08/2017 at 22:39, TheProgressiveLiberal said:

Went to the Trump rally in Youngstown, Ohio last week. Fun times. First political event I've attended since my grandpa took me to see Vice President Quail during the 92 campaign. All I remember about it was being annoyed when they told me he was going to fly in on Air Force 2, and then seeing a normal looking plane.

 

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Trump is having a rally in Huntington, WV tonight. He's promoting a big announcement. The rumor is that our Democrat governor is going to join the Republican Party at the rally. 7 pm Eastern US time. Tune in to see the love of the peole.

So @Rugster, does the beardy guy look like Swampy?

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I see that Trump has thrown support behind the RAISE Act which plans to change the Green Card system to make it more harder for people to qualify.
He wants remove the family based immigration, cap refugees, get rid of the Green Card Lottery completely and tighten up the merit based system by adding in mandatory English speaking skills.

Brexiteers will be slabbering at the thought of it.

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Brexiteers will be slabbering at the thought of it.

Farage to visit later in the summer. “The idea of a trip to Mississippi? Rather. Absolutely,” he said.

About a week before he flew to Mississippi, Farage learned that his trip was going to coincide with a Trump visit to the state, on August 25th. Also, Steve Bannon, the executive chairman of Breitbart News, was by that point in charge of the campaign. Bannon and Farage have been close for years. “I have got a very, very high regard for that man’s brain,” Farage told me. Bannon is a student of right-wing nationalist movements in Europe, and in the summer of 2012, shortly after his appointment at Breitbart, he’d invited Farage to spend several days with him in New York and Washington, where the ukip leader was introduced to, among others, the staff of Jeff Sessions, the nativist Alabama senator who is Trump’s pick to be the next Attorney General.

Add Stephen miller to that mix and you've got a right shower of shite.
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5 hours ago, welshbairn said:

So @Rugster, does the beardy guy look like Swampy?

You said you wished there was an American here to answer questions about health care. I'm not an expert, but having seen some of the comments in this thread there seems to be massive confusion. I think I recall Granny saying that the top 1% use a ridiculously high % of our health care spending, but he thought that meant the top 1% of our rich instead of the top 1% of healthcare consumers. Amazing nobody questioned his outlandish numbers. People here keep bringing up child mortality, as if that's an indictment of our healthcare system rather than our culture and poor parents. Existing, pre-Obamacare programs cover the bottom 39% of minors in the US. Almost half of all pregnancies are covered by the government. So who's dying because the government isn't providing care? You mentioned knowing someone who ended up with a large bill because their kid broke an arm. My girlfriend's daughter just broke her arm at school a few months ago. My girlfriend is a home care nurse and doesn't have private health insurance, but her daughter was covered by Medicaid and there were zero bills. I can't remember the exact income levels, but I think she can make up to around $25k before she'd have to pay a dime for her kids health care. Above that there's another program that helps with bills up to an income somewhere in the 40-50k range. That's for a single parent with two kids.

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15 hours ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said:

You said you wished there was an American here to answer questions about health care. I'm not an expert, but having seen some of the comments in this thread there seems to be massive confusion. I think I recall Granny saying that the top 1% use a ridiculously high % of our health care spending, but he thought that meant the top 1% of our rich instead of the top 1% of healthcare consumers. Amazing nobody questioned his outlandish numbers. People here keep bringing up child mortality, as if that's an indictment of our healthcare system rather than our culture and poor parents. Existing, pre-Obamacare programs cover the bottom 39% of minors in the US. Almost half of all pregnancies are covered by the government. So who's dying because the government isn't providing care? You mentioned knowing someone who ended up with a large bill because their kid broke an arm. My girlfriend's daughter just broke her arm at school a few months ago. My girlfriend is a home care nurse and doesn't have private health insurance, but her daughter was covered by Medicaid and there were zero bills. I can't remember the exact income levels, but I think she can make up to around $25k before she'd have to pay a dime for her kids health care. Above that there's another program that helps with bills up to an income somewhere in the 40-50k range. That's for a single parent with two kids.

As I understand it Trump's favoured Repeal and Replace plan would remove much of these benefits and pass the savings to the wealthy in the form of tax cuts. The thing I don't understand is why a basic necessity like healthcare is so ideological in America. There's no leeway to opt out of contributing to collective defence, even if you're a Quaker and find contributing to remote assassination by drone, abhorrent. A single payer system where the risk of medical need is shared out amongst the entire population is just a practical way of organising things, the whole original point of insurance. It could easily by done by the private sector, it doesn't even need active Government intervention, other than requiring everyone to be insured. If young, healthy people who expect to be immortal don't bother contributing, then of course it's going to be expensive. The GOP's plan takes away the mandatory element, but retains the rule that insurance should not be refused to people with pre-existing conditions. That's just bat shit crazy, and unaffordable unless you're going to hike premiums up for your over 55's to 1/3 to 1/2 of average income. Old fashioned American pragmatism is what's needed, not cold war hysteria about "socialized medicine". I actually think if Rand Paul had a serious chat with sane Democrats they could work out a better deal by keeping the party leaders and conventional politics out of it.

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