Deplorable Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 17 minutes ago, Wee Willie said: Fair do's but when I read every day online in the American news websites Fox, CNN, ABC etc there is a huge amount of animosity and law suits between atheist groups and christian groups over the placing of large crosses in towns or the bible quotations in welcome packs for students or Forces personnel as well as other issues. It seems to me that they would be better omitting any reference to religion in the ceremony - that way everybody is happy and no one is left out. The animosity arises because of the political strategy used by the left in the culture wars. Our judiciary pretty much now functions as a House of Lords style institution, except that it takes power to fundamentally rewrite laws based on very broad constitutional interpretations and exists well to the left of the public on culture war issues. In large parts of America huge majorities want to continue the traditional public religious symbolism, but small groups of people block such tradition. Anytime you use this type of political strategy rather than a more democratic method you will create great animosity. I would take the opposite view from you. I'd say that it shouldn't be a problem for people to engage in certain traditions even if they don't have personal belief, and that if it's too offensive for an individual the proper move is to refuse to participate rather than to take away the traditions favored by the majority. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, dorlomin said: 7 years, surely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIEA Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 9 minutes ago, dorlomin said: Unless he's impeached before then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 Crackin reminder of how horrendously out of touch/balance the US media and universities are with the American people. Incredible winning achievement by Trump. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_endorsements_in_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016 -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Deplorable said: The animosity arises because of the political strategy used by the left in the culture wars. Our judiciary pretty much now functions as a House of Lords style institution, except that it takes power to fundamentally rewrite laws based on very broad constitutional interpretations and exists well to the left of the public on culture war issues. In large parts of America huge majorities want to continue the traditional public religious symbolism, but small groups of people block such tradition. Anytime you use this type of political strategy rather than a more democratic method you will create great animosity. I would take the opposite view from you. I'd say that it shouldn't be a problem for people to engage in certain traditions even if they don't have personal belief, and that if it's too offensive for an individual the proper move is to refuse to participate rather than to take away the traditions favored by the majority. Fair enough but I as an atheist was mortally (should that be morally?) offended at the gobbledygook as spouted by the various different religious groups. Perhaps when the religious lot had finished their sermons an atheist should have been invited tae respond. That way everybody wins. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Just now, Deplorable said: The animosity arises because of the political strategy used by the left in the culture wars. Our judiciary pretty much now functions as a House of Lords style institution, except that it takes power to fundamentally rewrite laws based on very broad constitutional interpretations and exists well to the left of the public on culture war issues. In large parts of America huge majorities want to continue the traditional public religious symbolism, but small groups of people block such tradition. Anytime you use this type of political strategy rather than a more democratic method you will create great animosity. I would take the opposite view from you. I'd say that it shouldn't be a problem for people to engage in certain traditions even if they don't have personal belief, and that if it's too offensive for an individual the proper move is to refuse to participate rather than to take away the traditions favored by the majority. What? That is some one sided bullshitathone right there. The rise and politicisations of the religious right was a deliberate and planned strategy in the 70s with people like Jerry Falwell using issues like abortion to mobilise socially conservatives towards the Republicans. It was a reaction to the civil rights movement that was pressing for more recognition of things like gay rights. The "culture wars" is a battle against sexual, gender and racial equality by Christian zealots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Crackin reminder of how horrendously out of touch/balance the US media and universities are with the American people. Incredible winning achievement by Trump.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_endorsements_in_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016 You mean the less than a quarter of the American people.Tbh it wouldn't matter if they had endorsed Trump they would still be out of touch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: You mean the less than a quarter of the American people. Tbh it wouldn't matter if they had endorsed Trump they would still be out of touch. I mean enough to win the election with 20 times less media endorsements and 0 college endorsements. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 33 minutes ago, banana said: Crackin reminder of how horrendously out of touch/balance the US media and universities are with the American people. Incredible winning achievement by Trump. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_endorsements_in_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016 That just shows that educated people weren't conned by his barking rhetoric. It's the thickos who think tax cuts for the rich, closing the borders and benefit cuts will get them better jobs, who voted for him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: That just shows that educated people weren't conned by his barking rhetoric. If you want to put an emphasis on education=college, Trump won 43% of the college grad vote. Yet still 0% college endorsements. Yet another indicator of the dreadful imbalance of political diversity on campuses and academic indoctrination. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, welshbairn said: That just shows that educated people weren't conned by his barking rhetoric. It's the thickos who think tax cuts for the rich, closing the borders and benefit cuts will get them better jobs, who voted for him. The thickos love Trump. This thread is evidence of that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 College graduates voting for him at practically the same level as the rest of the country doesn't point to much "indoctrination" going on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 17 minutes ago, Alan Stubbs said: College graduates voting for him at practically the same level as the rest of the country doesn't point to much "indoctrination" going on. Post grads voted just shy of 2:1 for Killary\Shillary or whatever, if we are playing academic top trumps. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 He did reference the forgotten man in his speech. Middle class straight white males as the most oppressed people in the US, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sooky Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Trump getting out the motorcade and having a wee wander...right outside his hotel! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Democrats win the most highly educated and the least educated. Republicans do better with people in the middle. Democrats win the highest IQ and the lowest IQ voters. Republicans do better with people in the middle. It's a slippery slope when Democrats brag about winning people with PhDs. They also massively win people with near retarded IQs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Deplorable said: when Democrats brag Who is a "Democrat"? Most on here would have a preference for Obama over Trump but are really not all that into many of the Democrat policies in many areas. As for people who are "retarded" or have learning difficulties voting for a party, I would say that in many cases those are the kinds of people who the centre left has sought to build state protection for since the New Deal. People on the margins supporting a party is a huge endorsement of that parties policies for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, Deplorable said: Democrats win the most highly educated and the least educated. Republicans do better with people in the middle. Democrats win the highest IQ and the lowest IQ voters. Republicans do better with people in the middle. It's a slippery slope when Democrats brag about winning people with PhDs. They also massively win people with near retarded IQs. Might it be that people with lower intelligence (let's ignore the "r" word for a second) tend to be poorer and therefore more likely to vote on the left hand side of the political spectrum, for obvious reasons and that people with high IQ's tend to think a bit more about what the real drivers of the tensions in our societies are? It's possible, I think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 The new President of the United States Inauguration Speech contained a line lifted directly from Bane in the Dark Knight Rises. He quoted a super villain from a Batman film. What a fucking surreal world we live in.https://twitter.com/BatmanNewsCom/status/822503697829732355/video/1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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