RandomGuy. Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said: Hearing Celtic and Rangers aren’t actually funding this, the money will be paid from the top two prize pot for the next 5 years. Pretty arrogant to presume they’ll be top two for the next 5 years. Will this mean it’ll require a 11-1 vote to go through? If so their own duopoly voting system could backfire on them if say Hamilton and Ross Country don’t play ball. It'll be rejected by lower league clubs, as it always is. Lower league clubs are more likely to agree to the "partnership" aspect of this, which would increase the amount of loans from individual clubs, and I guess that'll be reported as "SPFL CLUBS ACCEPT COLTS" before its clarified that they haven't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Capital Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 On 16/03/2021 at 16:32, oneteaminglasgow said: Your whole post is appalling, but this is an especially bad take. By my count, of the current Croatia squad 2 of them have ever played in a ‘colt’ side. As per the Terrace (https://mobile.twitter.com/terracepodcast/status/1371590441120976899) the World Cup 2018 squad had one - a back up goalkeeper. Norway also have colts and haven't qualified for anything since 2000. People who cite the Netherlands, Spain etc. are missing the point. They have a different ethos to us and after the second tier (in both countries) the standard falls off a cliff. In the summer of 2019, I saw Dutch third tier side Scheveningen struggle to get past North Kessock Hotel FC from the Inverness District League. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Norway also have colts and haven't qualified for anything since 2000. People who cite the Netherlands, Spain etc. are missing the point. They have a different ethos to us and after the second tier (in both countries) the standard falls off a cliff. In the summer of 2019, I saw Dutch third tier side Scheveningen struggle to get past North Kessock Hotel FC from the Inverness District League. Hate the whole “these countries have Colt teams in their league and are successful” argument it’s so simplistic and fails to highlight the real reason these countries are successful which is far more than Colt teams. Wales and Ireland have shite leagues let alone Colt teams but are doing better than us in recent years. Funnily enough I’d argue the decline in our National team and player pool has coincided with the duopoly domination of our league from around the 90s. Funnily I’ve never heard a peep out of Ibrox or Celtic Park with a plan to increase the competitiveness of our league to help produce better players for Scotland. Neither gives a shit about the National team and would probably withdraw their players if they could. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Diehard Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 8 hours ago, Marshmallo said: 8k a year per team is a King's ransom right enough And factor in that this will be 2 places less for us wee teams to aim for up the SPFL structure in perpetuity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Diehard Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, Highland Capital said: Norway also have colts and haven't qualified for anything since 2000. People who cite the Netherlands, Spain etc. are missing the point. They have a different ethos to us and after the second tier (in both countries) the standard falls off a cliff. In the summer of 2019, I saw Dutch third tier side Scheveningen struggle to get past North Kessock Hotel FC from the Inverness District League. Countries who have colts and do well also have players who can pass a ball ten yards. Until we teach our players to do that, we'll be pish with or without the OF young duds tussling with Cowden and Forfar. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Capital Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said: Hate the whole “these countries have Colt teams in their league and are successful” argument it’s so simplistic and fails to highlight the real reason these countries are successful which is far more than Colt teams. Wales and Ireland have shite leagues let alone Colt teams but are doing better than us in recent years. Yep. We're also not trying to be Spain or Portugal, we're trying to be Iceland. If we look at similar/smaller sized countries who've qualified since 1998, the Icelandic league doesn't have colts. Wales don't have colts. Ireland don't have colts. Northern Ireland don't have colts. I don't think Denmark or Finland do either. As mentioned earlier, Croatia have colts and it's barely made any difference to their national team and the aforementioned Norway have colts in their leagues and haven't qualified in two decades. It's almost like it doesn't make any difference. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Diehard Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 46 minutes ago, ScottD said: Collins and Levein going on about young boys playing against ‘men’ all sounded a bit homoerotic. Maybe they could audition for a remake of the classic Brut advert of the 1970’s. https://youtu.be/Xf-4Gbqyni4 Neither of them working in football at the moment. Not sure I would be taking Levein's advice on anything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Countries who have colts and do well also have players who can pass a ball ten yards. Until we teach our players to do that, we'll be pish with or without the OF young duds tussling with Cowden and Forfar.100% mate, I go to Scotland games home and away and while we beat quite a few teams from Europe I always feel that their control and passing is far superior to ours. Same goes for our neighbour to the south. “British Football” is played at a fast pace and its good to watch but technically it’s atrocious. Continental football is always slower and players are more comfortable on the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 9 hours ago, craigkillie said: I like how he keeps going on about the need to compromise, negotiate and so on, ignoring the fact that the Lowland League have exactly zero say in this proposal. Also the "they're getting into League 2 regardless". Not if the clubs don't want them, pal. Even though it was reported yesterday that the SPFL2 Play-off would remain the same, it only seems to have twigged today. So the LL catch up crew have changed their tune a little to get into the sea, let's see if fan pressure kills it off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Are there any regulations which prevent Rangers or Celtic or anyone else buying a controlling interest in a lower level club and turning them into defacto Colt teams? eg. BSC Glasgow, hardly any support and hiring Alloa, maybe ripe for it. Caledonian Braves could be another target, Cumbernauld Colts. Clubs with very little in the way of support but playing at the level below the SPFL. Curious if its an avenue they'll seek to exploit if Colt teams fail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Burnieman said: Are there any regulations which prevent Rangers or Celtic or anyone else buying a controlling interest in a lower level club and turning them into defacto Colt teams? eg. BSC Glasgow, hardly any support and hiring Alloa, maybe ripe for it. Caledonian Braves could be another target, Cumbernauld Colts. Clubs with very little in the way of support but playing at the level below the SPFL. Curious if its an avenue they'll seek to exploit if Colt teams fail. UEFA brought in rules to prevent the same people owning a controlling interest in more than one club decades ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Maybe we could rebrand every team in Scotland as Rangers or Celtic. Aberdeen Celtic v Cove Rangers Dundee Celtic v Dundee Rangers East Strlingshire Celtic v Stenhousemuir Rangers The local OF fans would pack the grounds every week and the main teams would have the pick of around 500 players each. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, BFTD said: UEFA brought in rules to prevent the same people owning a controlling interest in more than one club decades ago. Wasn't that just for situations where both clubs played in European competition? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinabear Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 32 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Maybe we could rebrand every team in Scotland as Rangers or Celtic. Aberdeen Celtic v Cove Rangers Dundee Celtic v Dundee Rangers East Strlingshire Celtic v Stenhousemuir Rangers The local OF fans would pack the grounds every week and the main teams would have the pick of around 500 players each. Is dundee celtic vs Dundee rangers not already a thing? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Marshmallo said: Lol Oh no - tears and snotters now because the proposal doesn't include an automatic relegation spot from SPFL2 Edited March 17, 2021 by Marshmallo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 28 minutes ago, Burnieman said: Wasn't that just for situations where both clubs played in European competition? Just Googling this at the moment, and it looks like UEFA and FIFA frown upon clubs having the same owner in domestic competitions, but can't actually do anything about it. It seems to have been considered OK in Spain fairly recently. The SFA's Articles of Association forbid dual club ownership "without the prior written consent of the Board", which is a bit of a worrying loophole, but whatever. It's Article 13.1, if anyone's interested. If you break the rules, you can get fined up to...£10,000. Woo. https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/1819/articles-of-association.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, BFTD said: Just Googling this at the moment, and it looks like UEFA and FIFA frown upon clubs having the same owner in domestic competitions, but can't actually do anything about it. It seems to have been considered OK in Spain fairly recently. The SFA's Articles of Association forbid dual club ownership "without the prior written consent of the Board", which is a bit of a worrying loophole, but whatever. It's Article 13.1, if anyone's interested. If you break the rules, you can get fined up to...£10,000. Woo. https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/1819/articles-of-association.pdf Interesting, thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Burnieman said: Interesting, thanks. Thank f**k, eh? Let's face it, if it could be done, they'd have done it long, long ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Just now, BFTD said: Thank f**k, eh? Let's face it, if it could be done, they'd have done it long, long ago. Maybe we should delete the posts in case it gives them ideas.......... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Capital Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 One of the main arguments we always hear is that Colts will apparently 'improve the national team' but that suggests that Scotland didn't qualify for anything between 1998 and 2021 because we didn't have the players. Again though if we look at the pool of players Scotland has had over that time, it's been pretty much as good as or better than Ireland, Northern Ireland, Iceland, Wales (Gareth Bale notwithstanding), Denmark, Finland, Slovenia, Slovakia, Albania and there's probably more I've forgotten. Croatia probably have a better pool of players but as we've seen the colts in their leagues have made little impact to the national team. We have had and do have the players - the reason we didn't qualify for two decades wasn't because of quality, it was mostly down to poor management. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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