Polling: 2017 General Election, Council Elections and Independence

[DAFC.]

It'll be funny to see the Unionist media spin it as a loss for the Indy movement if SNP fail to get a majority, despite the fact there will most likely be more pro-Indy MSPs in Parliament compared to 2011 and 2016.

[Salt n Vinegar]

4 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

Watching the news and Politics Live this morning and afternoon, every report on Scotland giving the impression the only issue is if the SNP can get a majority and gain a mandate. Nary a mention of a pro-independence majority, super or otherwise. Predictable.

Don't worry. The SNP could win 75 seats and the Greens 10 seats and some unionists would claim it wasn't a "big enough" mandate for another referendum. 

[Colkitto]

Ipsos Mori

 

[Gordon EF]

It'd be delicious to see the Greens body the Lib Dems down into fifth once again. Really open up a bit of a gap this time. 

Can anyone think of any other institution who've been humiliatingly pumped into 5th place this week?

Spoiler

 

Edited May 5, 2021 by Gordon EF

[John Lambies Doos]

It'd be delicious to see the Greens body the Lib Dems down into fifth once again. Really open up a bit of a gap this time. 
Can anyone think of any other institution who've been humiliatingly pumped into 5th place this week?
Spoiler

 

Brilliant

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

1 hour ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

Don't worry. The SNP could win 75 seats and the Greens 10 seats and some unionists would claim it wasn't a "big enough" mandate for another referendum. 

If, as I suspect, the SNP fall a few seats short of a majority, the Tories and the Unionist press will trumpet this from the hilltops as if it's VE day. 

Victory for them is the SNP failing to get a majority. They'll ignore the fact that it's virtually impossible to gain a majority at Holyrood,  and they'll ignore the fact that there'll be a large pro-independence majority aloing with the Greens and Alba. 

All that counts, that has ever counted, is stopping the SNP majority. 

 

[John Lambies Doos]

If, as I suspect, the SNP fall a few seats short of a majority, the Tories and the Unionist press will trumpet this from the hilltops as if it's VE day. 
Victory for them is the SNP failing to get a majority. They'll ignore the fact that it's virtually impossible to gain a majority at Holyrood,  and they'll ignore the fact that there'll be a large pro-independence majority aloing with the Greens and Alba. 
All that counts, that has ever counted, is stopping the SNP majority. 
 

In fairness though, if 50% plus vote for SNP on constituency they will get a majority. If they fail to get this then it would be difficult to sell that Scotland wants a referendum.

[vikingTON]

2 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Stop making stuff up. Your obsessed about this list vote. Any sane minded person gives it to the Greens but for obvious reasons this cannot be publicly endorsed by SNP.

Yes it will be a close run thing.

What am I making up?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5476598922381979&id=143272075714717&__tn__=*s*s-R

An SNP government and Nicola Sturgeon becoming First Minister again are absolutely certain, so linking these to a 'knife-edge!!!' poll to try and con the gullible into handing over list votes in the Central Belt is risible. No regional nuance, no actual credible case set out. 

The reality is quite clear then that the SNP would be happier with 65 seats for themselves and the rest of the Parliament being filled with Yoons, than having 75-80 pro-independence voices but 'only' 60 seats for themselves. For a party whose stated goal is an independent Scotland that is short-sighted nonsense.

Edited May 5, 2021 by vikingTON

[ayrmad]

4 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:

Watching the news and Politics Live this morning and afternoon, every report on Scotland giving the impression the only issue is if the SNP can get a majority and gain a mandate. Nary a mention of a pro-independence majority, super or otherwise. Predictable.

Just towing the SNP line. 

[doulikefish]

Can't believe we haven't had a Russian jet fight story this election 

[Tattie36]

21 minutes ago, doulikefish said:

Can't believe we haven't had a Russian jet fight story this election 

There’s still time.

[Salt n Vinegar]

Anyone know when the last opinion poll is going to come out? There's time yet, surely?

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

2 hours ago, virginton said:

 

The reality is quite clear then that the SNP would be happier with 65 seats for themselves and the rest of the Parliament being filled with Yoons, than having 75-80 pro-independence voices but 'only' 60 seats for themselves. For a party whose stated goal is an independent Scotland that is short-sighted nonsense.

That's true. 

And the reasons for it have been pointed out elsewhere....having a pro-independence majority involving the Greens/Alba is a diluted majority, and will be utterly disregarded by Westminster. 

Only an SNP majority will be recognised and only an SNP majority will be a stepping stone towards another referendum. The Greens can win a doezen seats, but they carry little or no leverage, sadly. 

 

[Baxter Parp]

1 hour ago, ayrmad said:

Just towing the SNP line. 

Hoho, yes, the BBC is totally pro-SNP isn't it?

[Wee-Bey]

1 hour ago, doulikefish said:

Can't believe we haven't had a Russian jet fight story this election 

It's all about the Iranians now baby.

I'd be up for chucking the Ayatollahs Balmoral if they can secure independence for us.

[vikingTON]

35 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

That's true. 

And the reasons for it have been pointed out elsewhere....having a pro-independence majority involving the Greens/Alba is a diluted majority, and will be utterly disregarded by Westminster. 

Only an SNP majority will be recognised and only an SNP majority will be a stepping stone towards another referendum. The Greens can win a doezen seats, but they carry little or no leverage, sadly. 

If you think that Boris Johnson is going to be a good sport and roll over because the SNP have got 66 seats now rather than 63 then you're utterly delusional.

Letting the Yoons set the benchmark uncontested is awfully convenient when it fits the SNP's desire for one-party rule. 

[Baxter Parp]

18 minutes ago, virginton said:

If you think that Boris Johnson is going to be a good sport and roll over because the SNP have got 66 seats now rather than 63 then you're utterly delusional.

What makes you think an additional 10 Greens and an Alba will do it?

18 minutes ago, virginton said:

SNP's desire for one-party rule. 

That's perpetuating the Yoons line right there, Einstein.

Edited May 5, 2021 by Baxter Parp

[wirez]

16 minutes ago, virginton said:

If you think that Boris Johnson is going to be a good sport and roll over because the SNP have got 66 seats now rather than 63 then you're utterly delusional.

Letting the Yoons set the benchmark uncontested is awfully convenient when it fits the SNP's desire for one-party rule. 

It is the denial of reality that is so frustrating. This "Nicola will see it through" attitude is based on blind faith and nothing else.

The SNP leadership has painted itself into a corner regarding the rules they have set themselves for another referendum. We now have those that unquestioningly follow every Sturgeon pronouncement parroting Theresa May's "Now is not the time" patter from a few years ago...you know that time when the SNP said they would hold a referendum to stop us getting dragged out of the EU.

 

[Baxter Parp]

Taking all of today's polls in to account.

[SANTAN]

56 minutes ago, virginton said:

If you think that Boris Johnson is going to be a good sport and roll over because the SNP have got 66 seats now rather than 63 then you're utterly delusional.

Letting the Yoons set the benchmark uncontested is awfully convenient when it fits the SNP's desire for one-party rule. 

You've probably posted before but forgive me because I've not seen it if you have, do you have an alternative strategy to what the SNP have on offer right now?