Blue-Toon Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: It has been suggested that Johnson will take us out of Europe on a Hard Brexit on 31 October and have an election on 1 November. That would be political (really electoral) genius. Get all the Hard Brexiteers on side and have an election before the roof falls in. General Elections are almost always held on a Thursday. 1st November is a Friday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 The outcome wouldn't be know until the 1st by which time the clock would have run down. Sadly I suspect he's more than capable of using that scenario. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Blue-Toon said: General Elections are almost always held on a Thursday. 1st November is a Friday. Holding elections on a Thursday is nothing more than convention. Like a PM standing down if he/she loses a VoC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Caroline Lucas is a joke. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 9 hours ago, Granny Danger said: It has been suggested that Johnson will take us out of Europe on a Hard Brexit on 31 October and have an election on 1 November. That would be political (really electoral) genius. Get all the Hard Brexiteers on side and have an election before the roof falls in. We are already one quarter into negative growth. Another quarter of it and it will be an official recession by 1 October. It could also lead to very significant problems with UK air flights over Europe from the midnight. Plus a potential run n the pound and markets in the week leading up to it. More over poor weather is always bad for the government in an election that is why they try to hold them in spring. It is the kind of "clever" plan that is hostage to a whole host of variables. I.e. more hail mary than genius. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Malky3 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 16 hours ago, Detournement said: Caroline Lucas is a joke. Absolutely. Having a government of "national unity" featuring a party who's sole aim is to break up the Union is ludicrous. Having a government of "National Unity" that not only features the SNP but that also excludes men fron the cabinet because they are men takes it from ludicrous to absurd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-Toon Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Malky3 said: Absolutely. Having a government of "national unity" featuring a party who's sole aim is to break up the Union is ludicrous. Having a government of "National Unity" that not only features the SNP but that also excludes men fron the cabinet because they are men takes it from ludicrous to absurd. Caroline Ludicrous or Rebecca Wrong Daily for PM? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 12 hours ago, dorlomin said: We are already one quarter into negative growth. Another quarter of it and it will be an official recession by 1 October. Not necessarily. The figures could still be adjusted and although two successive quarters of decline usually signal a recession there are other measures that suggest the UK economy is still holding strong. For example unemployment has fallen in the last twelve months - rather than increasing by 1.5% or more that would be one of the other markers of recession. Germany and France are at greater risk of recession currently and the UK is likely to stockpile again before October 31st so the timing for a General Election might just be perfect -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Malky3 said: Germany and France are at greater risk of recession currently and the UK is likely to stockpile again before October 31st so the timing for a General Election might just be perfect Fucking hell! Avoiding recession because firms are stockpiling widgets and folk are filling cupboards with tins of beans, calpol and American IPAs? The country is truly absolutely fucked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Did Jess Phillips relentless self-promotion get her a spot in the fantasy anti-Brexit cabinet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Malky3 said: For example unemployment has fallen in the last twelve months - rather than increasing by 1.5% or more that would be one of the other markers of recession. Unemployment is falling to compensate for a near freeze in investment in plant and machinery, meaning collapsing productivity, a real marker for recession. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 The “nothing to see here” Brexit apologists are fooling no one but themselves. And let’s face it, they’re pretty easily fooled. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/12/boris-johnson-has-publics-support-shut-parliament-get-brexit/ Quote Boris Johnson has the support of more than half of the public to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending Parliament, according to a poll. The ComRes survey for The Telegraph found that 54 per cent of British adults think Parliament should be prorogued to prevent MPs stopping a no-deal Brexit Have to say I'm surprised at that (of course the caveat being the paper which paid for the survey) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/12/boris-johnson-has-publics-support-shut-parliament-get-brexit/ Have to say I'm surprised at that (of course the caveat being the paper which paid for the survey) Shock and Awe - It was found that 100% of the public agreed that Boris Johnson is a Fanny. In an exclusive poll carried out by Dirty Dingus for Pie and Bovril it was found of those who responded that a whopping 100% percent agreed that Boris Johnson is a Fanny. This will shake Westminster to the core and will show that the PM's popularity has plummeted after only a couple of weeks in the job. One MP's said "this is interesting" another unnamed source said "Ross Thomson only sells proper" Jeremy Corbyn was said to have shouted "Up the Ra" on hearing these findings and Jo Swinson said "No to a second referendum." *sample size of 2 with 1 refusing to give an answer as they were late for work. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/12/boris-johnson-has-publics-support-shut-parliament-get-brexit/ Have to say I'm surprised at that (of course the caveat being the paper which paid for the survey) Court of Session in Edinburgh considering if such an action is "Unlawful" and "Unconstitutional". What will happen if they decide that it is? Who's going to tell Boris, and Brexiteers in England, that Scotland has said he can't do that? Edited August 13, 2019 by ICTJohnboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Court of Session in Edinburgh considering if such an action is "Unlawful" and "Unconstitutional". What will happen if they decide that it is? Who's going to tell Boris, and Brexiteers in England, that Scotland has said he can't do that? I suppose that's what unions are all about. Both parties have to agree on anything and, if they can't agree about something critically important, they dissolve that union. Still, assuming the CoS finds as expected, I can't wait to hear how Boris phrases his 'f**k off'. Could be a seminal moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, The DA said: I suppose that's what unions are all about. Both parties have to agree on anything and, if they can't agree about something critically important, they dissolve that union. Still, assuming the CoS finds as expected, I can't wait to hear how Boris phrases his 'f**k off'. Could be a seminal moment. Certainly could! Strangely neither Sky nor BBC (London) News has mentioned this possible intervention by The CoS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Suspect Device said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/12/boris-johnson-has-publics-support-shut-parliament-get-brexit/ Quote The ComRes survey for The Telegraph found that 54 per cent of British adults think Parliament should be prorogued to prevent MPs stopping a no-deal Brexit Have to say I'm surprised at that (of course the caveat being the paper which paid for the survey) 54%. Well lets look at the truth. Quote Q.7 Do you agree or disagree with the following statements? Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending parliament if necessary, in order to prevent MPs from stopping it Base: All respondents https://www.comresglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/The-Telegraph_August-2019-Tables.pdf 44% of the public are in favour of proroguing parliament after about 3 questions on how out of touch MPs are. (The Telegraph ditched the "dont know"s and just split the in favour or not in favour into 100%) Firstly the headline number is bull. Secondly the set up was bound to place people into a mindset of seeing the executive as less out of touch than the parliament. Thirdly. Quote Brexit should be halted if problems over the Northern Ireland border threaten to split the Union Base: All respondents A narrow majority favouring suspending Brexit to defend the Union. Quote Boris Johnson cannot unify the country as Prime Minister of the UK Base: All respondents This question came after the proroguing one. And about 45% agree with about 29% "dont know" Good luck with anyone looking at the details and thinking the public will stand behind suspending parliament. (edited to add the question is also framed "to deliver Brexit" not "to deliver no deal Brexit" I suspect this may have had a small impact) Edited August 13, 2019 by dorlomin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 On 13/08/2019 at 07:27, ICTJohnboy said: Court of Session in Edinburgh considering if such an action is "Unlawful" and "Unconstitutional". What will happen if they decide that it is? Who's going to tell Boris, and Brexiteers in England, that Scotland has said he can't do that? Regardless of who wins in the Outer House it'll be appealed to the Inner House, then to the Supreme Court. I'd think the chances of the UK government losing in the Court of Session and then chucking it would be slim. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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