BawWatchin Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 17 minutes ago, Paco said: Corbyn would be sailing to victory by now if he’d either a) committed to Brexit while staying in the Single Market, or a similar ‘soft’ Brexit or b) committed to another referendum with a Remain option. He’s fucked it for himself, his ‘socialism’ is really little to do with it. No he wouldn't. His loss of support has nothing to do with brexit and everything to do with MSM smear campaign and the Lib Dems doing everything to ensure a comfortable tory majority by spliting the Labour vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Paco said: Corbyn would be sailing to victory by now if he’d either a) committed to Brexit while staying in the Single Market, or a similar ‘soft’ Brexit or b) committed to another referendum with a Remain option. He’s fucked it for himself, his ‘socialism’ is really little to do with it. While I understand what you're getting at, I would suggest that his 'socialism' means that he's tied to a particular narrow-minded ideology, rather than being subtle enough to exist in the world of Real Politik. He had a bounce 3 years ago, because he seemed different and refreshing. That bounce is long gone, and voters see him for what he is....a dithering 1970's socialist, totally unsuited to being the leader of a modern day political party. It's virtually impossible to see him as PM, and people all over the country have woken up to that. Your first paragraph is absolutely correct, but it's obvious that Corbyn is as big a hater of the EU as the likes of Rees-Mogg, just for different reasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Corbyn would be sailing to victory by now if he’d either a) committed to Brexit while staying in the Single Market, or a similar ‘soft’ Brexit or b) committed to another referendum with a Remain option. He’s fucked it for himself, his ‘socialism’ is really little to do with it. This in spades. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Wrong. Commit to Brexit and Watson and co launch another coup. Commit to a referendum and lose vital voters in target seats. Either Brexit will happen before the next election or Corbyn will become PM and go into an election against a Tory party split and bleeding votes to the Brexit Party. The strategy has paid off. As for voters figuring Corbyn out and 2017 being a bounce. The manifesto was the vote winner in 2017, Corbyn being likeable was just a bonus. The 19/20 manifesto will do the same job. Wages, jobs, employment rights, education, NHS, climate change, housing and welfare. That's where the votes are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 I'm not too sure about that. Tory voters still turned out in record numbers. Labour gains in England came from people who didn't vote in 2015. I doubt they were motivated by the dementia tax. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 To be fair stuff like the tory alzheimers tax helped labour out a great deal in 2017.I don't remember this? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 26 minutes ago, DublinMagyar said: 2 hours ago, MixuFixit said: To be fair stuff like the tory alzheimers tax helped labour out a great deal in 2017. I don't remember this? They called it the dementia tax. Meant that the cost of caring for the elderly could get taken from the property value somehow. I'm sure families already have to remortgage to pay for care anyway, it's horrendously expensive, and the social care issue will have to be addressed sooner or later, but the timing of the proposal couldn't have been worse for the Tories. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 God... To think they're all online permaraging every day even after winning. No way to live.Its quite scary to think people like that exist, then you look at wings, jeggit and mr malky and realise they come from both sides . There should be some kind of zoomer twitter where these folk can all go zoom each other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 7 hours ago, Paco said: Corbyn would be sailing to victory by now if he’d either a) committed to Brexit while staying in the Single Market, or a similar ‘soft’ Brexit or b) committed to another referendum with a Remain option. He’s fucked it for himself, his ‘socialism’ is really little to do with it. Following this logic, the next Election will see the Lib Dems sailing to victory. Can't wait. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, MixuFixit said: Whooooooosh oops 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Detournement said: Wrong. Commit to Brexit and Watson and co launch another coup. Commit to a referendum and lose vital voters in target seats. You would think that internationalist & socialist principles might provide some guidance, rather than fear of offending insular little Englander brexiteers and losing their votes. "Keir Hardy" must be spinning in his grave. Edited August 9, 2019 by lichtgilphead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) I don't think Keir Hardie would be too keen on the EU M8. There is that full common ownership of the means of production principle which would probably be a bit of an issue. As for the constant 'errors' from SLAB it's clearly Blairite sabotage. Edited August 9, 2019 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 A greenie for the last line alone. Well played. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Brexit party announcing candidates for every constituency. Anyone else think Farage has been made aware of something? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 (edited) On 07/08/2019 at 11:35, dirty dingus said: Is Agent P the pure mad Sevconian that turns every single bit of Scottish govt legislation or press release into an attack on our staunch loyalist and protestant brethren? Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between parody and loonball. Ever heard about well-known Unionist trolls Steve Sayers' adventures into upskirting? Google "Steve Sayers upskirt flickr" and click the T in the Park link... AngentP22 is some guy. I've hard argy-bargy at him for doing SNP/IRA chat. Edited August 10, 2019 by Sunrise 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 21 hours ago, lichtgilphead said: You would think that internationalist & socialist principles might provide some guidance, rather than fear of offending insular little Englander brexiteers and losing their votes. "Keir Hardy" must be spinning in his grave. Aye all proper socialists love undemocratic neoliberal institutions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 7 hours ago, YassinMoutaouakil said: Aye all proper socialists love undemocratic neoliberal institutions. Well, yeah. Labour currently condemn 'narrow nationalism" when suggestions are made toward setting up a Scottish Socialist republic, support Westminster's narrow insular brexiteer ambitions and appear to support leaving the closest thing that we can currently belong to that supports universal rights. I would suggest that the EU is currently more closely aligned to left-leaning principles than Westminster. Why therefore do the Labour party appear to believe that the UK should leave one grouping because it is an "undemocratic neoliberal institution", yet support Scotland continuing to be ruled by Westminster, instead of setting our own left-leaning future direction? Do they really agree that our future should be set by hard-right Brexiteers, just to remain in the Union? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdhafc1874 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Do they really agree that our future should be set by hard-right Brexiteers, just to remain in the Union? Yes, yes they do. Labour are unionists first & foremost. Which is why they have been haemorrhaging votes to SNP on 1 side of the voting spectrum & to the Tories on the other side on their way to total electoral irrelevance in Scotland. Good riddance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Quite good if Brexit Party stand in every constituency. Especially up here, they’ll take votes off labour and the tories making it quite possible the only show in town win most of the seats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 It has been suggested that Johnson will take us out of Europe on a Hard Brexit on 31 October and have an election on 1 November. That would be political (really electoral) genius. Get all the Hard Brexiteers on side and have an election before the roof falls in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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