Oor Nicola Sturgeon thread.

[alta-pete]

The point I was trying (and clearly failing) to make was that comparing it to a Ponzi scheme seemed (to me) a rather eloquent description. 

Just keep giving us money, give us some more, you’ll get your jam tomorrow. But producing nothing tangible in the interim. 

The faithful lapped it up, kept buying in until whoever was the chap (I think lampooned earlier) decided enough was enough and after the reallocation/pissing of the £600k accused them of being criminal. And from which point the house of cards started it’s collapse. 

[Trogdor]

3 minutes ago, George Cowley said:

The point I was trying (and clearly failing) to make was that comparing it to a Ponzi scheme seemed (to me) a rather eloquent description. 

Just keep giving us money, give us some more, you’ll get your jam tomorrow. But producing nothing tangible in the interim. 

The faithful lapped it up, kept buying in until whoever was the chap (I think lampooned earlier) decided enough was enough and after the reallocation/pissing of the £600k accused them of being criminal. And from which point the house of cards started it’s collapse. 

Never forget this guy... a hero.

[The_Kincardine]

Humza doesn't want Nippy suspended 'for what her husband did' thus 1. missing the point and 2. chucking Petey under the motorhome.  This is the sort of nonsense we were all expecting.

 

[Pocketman]

[ScotiaNostra]

13 hours ago, StellarHibee said:

About as long as a tory lasts before being suspended. Either a very long time or just not at all.

Yeah, that should work. Act like a tory would handle it

[StellarHibee]

2 hours ago, ScotiaNostra said:

Yeah, that should work. Act like a tory would handle it

Why should other parties be disadvantaged by playing by rules that the Tories don't?

Only a Tory would think that should be the way if it.

[Michael W]

Only a Tory would think the rules are for the plebs and they are above them. 

[alta-pete]

So the SNP are now Tories? 

[Aufc]

It seems that the SNP are determined to just keep increasing the tax on high earners. Scotland doesnt have a lot of higher earners so it is hardly going to encourage additional ones to the country if they keep increasing the tax rates. 

Also, i see he wants to double council tax on holiday homes which i presume is to try and stop people from owning holiday homes in rural homes to allow "local" people to live here. Forgive my ignorance, but will this not just result in the owners of these homes just increasing the rental prices to cover it? It doesnt really address the issue which is lack of houses or the price of them. Its surely a bit of a catch 22 situation in that these areas rely on tourists coming in so by making it more expensive then people may just holiday elsewhere. 

[ScotiaNostra]

58 minutes ago, StellarHibee said:

Why should other parties be disadvantaged by playing by rules that the Tories don't?

Only a Tory would think that should be the way if it.

 

[SouthLanarkshireWhite]

56 minutes ago, Aufc said:

It seems that the SNP are determined to just keep increasing the tax on high earners. Scotland doesnt have a lot of higher earners so it is hardly going to encourage additional ones to the country if they keep increasing the tax rates. 

Also, i see he wants to double council tax on holiday homes which i presume is to try and stop people from owning holiday homes in rural homes to allow "local" people to live here. Forgive my ignorance, but will this not just result in the owners of these homes just increasing the rental prices to cover it? It doesnt really address the issue which is lack of houses or the price of them. Its surely a bit of a catch 22 situation in that these areas rely on tourists coming in so by making it more expensive then people may just holiday elsewhere. 

But if you don't know how to solve something, just put the tax up. Always a good vote winner.

[54_and_counting]

1 hour ago, SouthLanarkshireWhite said:

But if you don't know how to solve something, just put the tax up. Always a good vote winner.

In this case its probably true as a lot of their core voters most likely don't pay tax and instead take from the system

[SouthLanarkshireWhite]

20 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said:

In this case its probably true as a lot of their core voters most likely don't pay tax and instead take from the system

Glad you asked that question...the idea that squeezing higher rate taxpayers to solve Scotland's problems is frankly beyond laughable.

 

 

 

Edited April 18, 2023 by SouthLanarkshireWhite

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said:

In this case its probably true as a lot of their core voters most likely don't pay tax and instead take from the system

The parasitic ownership class, who "don't pay tax and instead take from the system" generally vote Tory not SNP.

[Venti]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-65309791

Phil Mitchell arrested

[Oceanlineayr]

14 minutes ago, FreedomFarter said:

The parasitic ownership class, who "don't pay tax and instead take from the system" generally vote Tory not SNP.

They usually also have affinity to Rangers. It's not like a "great" Scottish institute like Rangers would ever dodge tax??

[SouthLanarkshireWhite]

18 minutes ago, FreedomFarter said:

The parasitic ownership class, who "don't pay tax and instead take from the system" generally vote Tory not SNP.

How many of those live in Scotland?

[Aufc]

1 hour ago, 54_and_counting said:

In this case its probably true as a lot of their core voters most likely don't pay tax and instead take from the system

 

44 minutes ago, SouthLanarkshireWhite said:

Glad you asked that question...the idea that squeezing higher rate taxpayers to solve Scotland's problems is frankly beyond laughable.

 

 

 

To be fair, not everyone who doesnt pay tax "takes" from the system. Some of them could be full time maws (like my wife) albeit she runs a couple of businesses but doesnt earn enough to pay tax. 

 

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, SouthLanarkshireWhite said:

How many of those live in Scotland?

My last reply there wasn't a rebuttal to your point. I agree that taxing workers isn't the ideal solution. I'm instead inclined towards this (it's specifically a funding model for UBI being posited here but the base thinking is transferable):

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A common myth, promoted by the rich, is that wealth is produced individually before it is collectivized by the state, through taxation. In fact, wealth was always produced collectively and privatized by those with the power to do it: the propertied class. Farmland and seeds, pre-modern forms of capital, were collectively developed through generations of peasant endeavor that landlords appropriated by stealth. Today, every smartphone comprises components developed by some government grant, or through the commons of pooled ideas, for which no dividends have ever been paid to society.

So how should society be compensated? Taxation is the wrong answer. Corporations pay taxes in exchange for services the state provides them, not for capital injections that must yield dividends. There is thus a strong case that the commons have a right to a share of the capital stock, and associated dividends, reflecting society’s investment in corporations’ capital. And, because it is impossible to calculate the size of state and social capital crystalized in any firm, we can decide how much of its capital stock the public should own only by means of a political mechanism.

A simple policy would be to enact legislation requiring that a percentage of capital stock (shares) from every initial public offering (IPO) be channeled into a Commons Capital Depository, with the associated dividends funding a universal basic dividend (UBD). This UBD should, and can be, entirely independent of welfare payments, unemployment insurance, and so forth, thus ameliorating the concern that it would replace the welfare state, which embodies the concept of reciprocity between waged workers and the unemployed.

Source: https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/basic-income-funded-by-capital-income-by-yanis-varoufakis-2016-10

Of course the SNP aren't offering anything close to that. Yet nor are Labour and then the current Conservative government are committed to the direct opposite. We can talk about the prospects of socialist economic policy in a Scotland seceded from the UK but that wasn't why I jumped in there. We know what that guy I replied to was implying. He wasn't meaning the ownership class in society but was instead taking aim at the least wealthy among us.

[54_and_counting]

3 minutes ago, Aufc said:

 

To be fair, not everyone who doesnt pay tax "takes" from the system. Some of them could be full time maws (like my wife) albeit she runs a couple of businesses but doesnt earn enough to pay tax. 

 

Examples like your other half arent the ones i mean though, the ones i mean are the ones who'll be absolutely ecstatic about the proposed 25k a year benefits crap we heard yesterday