AgentDaleCooper Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Reasoned debate? The post most seem to be taking exception with is indeed an abomination of a post. As for any other debate - it's been discussed when he was signed, and my stance has always been that theres Their version, the girls version, and the truth. The weak and opinionated civil case is nothing other than a Judge Rimmer verdict with a hefty financial bill, and it should never be forgot that legally there was not enough evidence to bring this to a criminal trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryHill Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 3 hours ago, The Clyde Man said: Why do I have a feeling we’re being stalked? Could be worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haufdaft Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 The point he made is the same point everyone other than Clyde supporters is making; to support a rapist is at best misguided and at worst a tacit endorsement of his action. The point many Clyde supporters are making is that Goodwille has never been convicted of anything. You believe that he is a rapist. I have my opinions, others have theirs. It doesn't matter a jot. I believe the law states that all accused are presumed innocent until found guilty by a criminal court. Some folk are willing to use a civil law to condemn him but ignore the criminal law in which he is legally innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 27 minutes ago, AgentDaleCooper said: Reasoned debate? The post most seem to be taking exception with is indeed an abomination of a post. As for any other debate - it's been discussed when he was signed, and my stance has always been that theres Their version, the girls version, and the truth. The weak and opinionated civil case is nothing other than a Judge Rimmer verdict with a hefty financial bill, and it should never be forgot that legally there was not enough evidence to bring this to a criminal trial. 12 minutes ago, haufdaft said: The point many Clyde supporters are making is that Goodwille has never been convicted of anything. You believe that he is a rapist. I have my opinions, others have theirs. It doesn't matter a jot. I believe the law states that all accused are presumed innocent until found guilty by a criminal court. Some folk are willing to use a civil law to condemn him but ignore the criminal law in which he is legally innocent. Thanks for your input, gents. Much better than the moonhowling being done by others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Clyde Man Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Come to think of it, Clyde FC have made it a bit of a habit giving jobs to people with fairly unsavoury records. Andy Goram was a coach at the club when he was an alcy, banging players' maws and conning money off folk. Alan Lithgow, Adam Strachan, David Goodwillie, John Brown, John McCormack, Joe Miller. A real rogues gallery of thieves, spousal abusers, rapists, conmen, flashers and generally unsavoury characters. An odious little club. What, did Hitler refuse to join us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 1 minute ago, The Clyde Man said: What, did Hitler refuse to join us? Cup tied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FREDDYFRY Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 41 minutes ago, Sweet Pete said: Cup tied. 1939 that was, he was busy elsewhere I believe; still we won the cup anyway so no issue came of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxruby Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 He did get into Europe. More than we did in '67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyde_darren Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Some of the comments on here are simply out of order. I admit I support Goodwillie, I’m happy he’s at our club and helped us stay up but c’mon to F***. Simply what he done is wrong and I’m sure even himself will acknowledge he shouldn’t of put himself in that situation. Support him all you want as I do but don’t make excuses for what happened. No one really knows the truth apart from the 3 that where their. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Haddock Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 My wife has just given me a lengthy explanation as to why Goodwillie has failed with his appeal.You go out for a few drinks,meet someone who takes your fancy,have a few more drinks.Invite him back to your flat,have a few more drinks,fall into bed,have sex and fall asleep. Wake up in the morning,think omg what have I done? I might have had sex but I didn't actually say Iwanted it,so de facto it was non consensual I am off to the police. What I don't understand in all of this is if they were all so drunk as is admitted by everybody- why is Goodwillie to blame? The Police couldn't find any reason to prosecute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbirdonthewire Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 45 minutes ago, Harry Haddock said: My wife has just given me a lengthy explanation as to why Goodwillie has failed with his appeal.You go out for a few drinks,meet someone who takes your fancy,have a few more drinks.Invite him back to your flat,have a few more drinks,fall into bed,have sex and fall asleep. Wake up in the morning,think omg what have I done? I might have had sex but I didn't actually say Iwanted it,so de facto it was non consensual I am off to the police. What I don't understand in all of this is if they were all so drunk as is admitted by everybody- why is Goodwillie to blame? The Police couldn't find any reason to prosecute. Another thick rape apologist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullyWeeLad Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 There’s law now that you actually need to ask them “can we have sex pls” now isn’t there ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbirdonthewire Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 20 minutes ago, BullyWeeLad said: There’s law now that you actually need to ask them “can we have sex pls” now isn’t there ? Do you often say ‘pls’ in conversation you f*cking cretin. Why are all Clyde fans vile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 4 hours ago, Menzel said: I mind several fellow Aberdeen supporters (not on here I think) trying to defend Goodwillie singing for us, but some of the rape apology on this thread really takes the cake. Disheartening to see that, much in the same way as the Tonev incident at Celtic, some people will revert to club tribalism because it's "their" player rather than be rightly disgusted. "singing" and "signing" are two different actions, tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbionMan Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Whatever the level of Goodwillie's culpability, the lost appeal will probably make him less attractive to bigger clubs in January, making it likelier for him to continue with Clyde, and giving them an (unwelcome) lift for the second part of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 30 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: "singing" and "signing" are two different actions, tbh That you part of the Zen Archer brigade now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Elementary Penguin said: Its entirely possible (indeed it is mentioned in the minutes of the case, already placed somewhere on here) that the claim of the 'pursuer' is in part to exonerate what may have been (she claims) unusual behaviours.... This is straight-up victim blaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde01 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Its entirely possible (indeed it is mentioned in the minutes of the case, already placed somewhere on here) that the claim of the 'pursuer' is in part to exonerate what may have been (she claims) unusual behaviours.... I think if some of the lynch mob appearing on here had taken the time to read these (as you clearly have and I also did around the time of his signing) we would have a much more reasoned debate.Whilst I find some of the posts by Clyde fans (now mostly deleted) on here to be well out of line, there is no doubt that severe grey areas exist in this case.If you feel the need to come onto a Clyde thread and comment at least know the facts of the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Harry Haddock said: My wife has just given me a lengthy explanation as to why Goodwillie has failed with his appeal.You go out for a few drinks,meet someone who takes your fancy,have a few more drinks.Invite him back to your flat,have a few more drinks,fall into bed,have sex and fall asleep. Wake up in the morning,think omg what have I done? I might have had sex but I didn't actually say Iwanted it,so de facto it was non consensual I am off to the police. What I don't understand in all of this is if they were all so drunk as is admitted by everybody- why is Goodwillie to blame? The Police couldn't find any reason to prosecute. Your wife sounds utterly charming. However, there were reasons to prosecute both, but the difficulty is proving that beyond reasonable doubt in a criminal trial. Especially given it was her word against two others. She could have been in their company and they all have expected sex at some point. But if alcohol renders her incapable of giving real, informed consent at a later point, prior to it actually happening, it is the same as no consent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, Elementary Penguin said: But again, you're implying the two are automatically not only keener for their hole than the 'pursuer' would be (girls are entitled to be durties as well) but also aggressively asserting a need for it to be fulfilled.....with no evidence of this found by two specialist Polis doctors, either. The biggest judgement here appears to be the pursuer, of her own actions. Simply following this guideline is rendering a great many of the 'pursuer's' supporters in this as completely out-and-out sexists, holding back the prospects of conviction rates in actual proven crimes. It's quite difficult to make sense of most of that to be honest. But I think you're saying they could all have fancied a bit. Maybe she did, but when she got too drunk to make an informed choice the game is a bogey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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