Hendo Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 2 hours ago, IrishBhoy said: Met a guy at my friends birthday party last night who claimed to be a friend of Ryan Flynn. Some of the stuff he was claiming he had been told by Flynn doesn’t paint Robinson in the best light to say the least, and if what he said has any truth behind it I wouldn’t expect to see either Flynn or Erhahon playing any sort of part in the coming season. Obviously it’s not the best source but the guy seemed genuine, and told me this unprompted after I said I supported St Mirren. Some of the stuff he did say may explain a few of the terrible performances near the end of last season, apparently Robinson is a very abrasive character and doesn’t seem to mind butting heads with the players at training, quite literally in the case of Flynn and Erhahon. None of this would entirely surprise me. Robinson always struck me as quite agitated and abrasive on the sidelines, in contrast to JG who seemed much calmer by comparison. Having said that, there do seem to be a lot of players who are keen to link up with him again, so maybe some players are happy with that style. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishBhoy Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, Hendo said: None of this would entirely surprise me. Robinson always struck me as quite agitated and abrasive on the sidelines, in contrast to JG who seemed much calmer by comparison. Having said that, there do seem to be a lot of players who are keen to link up with him again, so maybe some players are happy with that style. That’s what I was thinking too, I could imagine Robinson getting heated with the players at training. The guy also said that Flynn told him Robinson is despised among last seasons squad, but I find that harder to believe. It’s possible that Flynn has told this guy a couple of stories that are probably quite normal for a training ground, and the guy is blowing them out of proportion to make himself sound like he knows more than he does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drooper Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Jim McLean and Alex Ferguson were what could be described as abrasive characters. They were also successful football managers. There are numerous other examples. Clearly, none of us want someone who is an abusive arsehole at the club, however Flynn is a mature, experienced player, so it would be hoped he could formally call anything too untoward out through the established channels. I acknowledge it is easy for me to say, and definitely more tricky for younger players and staff. Tittle-tattle can be corrosive, though, and I wonder if Flynn would appreciate his mate sharing this stuff with random folk at parties.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Football training grounds are workplaces, there are going to be arguments, falling ours and people who don't especially get on. There will also be a lot of venting afterwards, especially during times when results weren't great. At the end of the day, Flynn has just signed a new contract at the club, to essentially be a squad back up player when there is no doubt in my mind he could have left and become a key player for a championship or even League 2 in England side. We've also had a bunch of players (and some backroom staff) who have worked with Robbo before happily sign up to do so again. The only guys who have left are McCarthy and Alnwick, who have gone to bigger clubs and will be earning money St Mirren couldn't hope to match, and Power who wanted to stay but was struggling at the end of last season and has probably done quite well to get into another premier team. None of this really points to massive disquiet in the dressing room and a hatred of Robinson. They might not like him on a personal level all the time, but they seem perfectly happy to work with him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishBhoy Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, Drooper said: Jim McLean and Alex Ferguson were what could be described as abrasive characters. They were also successful football managers. There are numerous other examples. Clearly, none of us want someone who is an abusive arsehole at the club, however Flynn is a mature, experienced player, so it would be hoped he could formally call anything too untoward out through the established channels. I acknowledge it is easy for me to say, and definitely more tricky for younger players and staff. Tittle-tattle can be corrosive, though, and I wonder if Flynn would appreciate his mate sharing this stuff with random folk at parties.... I agree, I don’t think Flynn would be too happy at his pal telling a St Mirren fan he had met for 30 seconds about incidents that had happened at training. As I said above I do think the stories were slightly embellished to make them sound more dramatic. He was quite specific in some of the details, but I won’t post any of that on here when ultimately its a third hand story from a guy in a pub. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorky Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 3 hours ago, IrishBhoy said: Met a guy at my friends birthday party last night who claimed to be a friend of Ryan Flynn. Some of the stuff he was claiming he had been told by Flynn doesn’t paint Robinson in the best light to say the least, and if what he said has any truth behind it I wouldn’t expect to see either Flynn or Erhahon playing any sort of part in the coming season. Obviously it’s not the best source but the guy seemed genuine, and told me this unprompted after I said I supported St Mirren. Some of the stuff he did say may explain a few of the terrible performances near the end of last season, apparently Robinson is a very abrasive character and doesn’t seem to mind butting heads with the players at training, quite literally in the case of Flynn and Erhahon. Nothing new really, there has always been talk of Robinsons management style, abrasive is one way of putting it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 minute ago, IrishBhoy said: I agree, I don’t think Flynn would be too happy at his pal telling a St Mirren fan he had met for 30 seconds about incidents that had happened at training. As I said above I do think the stories were slightly embellished to make them sound more dramatic. He was quite specific in some of the details, but I won’t post any of that on here when ultimately its a third hand story from a guy in a pub. I don't believe for a second Flynn would hang about when offered another year if things were quite as bad under the Robinson regime as being mentioned. It happens with every manager - funnily enough as soon as he left, Goodwin had the same accusations thrown at him but rather than being outright confrontational as Robinson is being accused of, the Goodwin mutterings were more of the sleekit and calculated individual variety. I don't believe for a single second though that the 'literally butting heads' part is true. End of the day, football is still a workplace and although incidents do happen, a manager being physical with their staff in this day and age is simply not going to fly and the guilty party would not be in the workplace the next day, at best suspended pending investigation and at worst summarily dismissed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishBhoy Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Just now, djchapsticks said: I don't believe for a second Flynn would hang about when offered another year if things were quite as bad under the Robinson regime as being mentioned. I must admit I didn’t know Flynn had just signed a contract in the summer when the guy was telling me this, and if I had I would have been asking why he decided to stay for another year under a manager that he despised. I have probably made a mistake posting it here as I wouldn’t like to think I’ve spread false information but it’s probably not that big a deal anyway. I do believe the training ground story has some sort of truth to it, as it would be a very strange thing for someone to make up, but it’s likely it’s been made to sound worse for dramatic effect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainstand Sweary Mob Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Back to football for a bit…. looking at the squad it’s good that we have the options to play a few different ways. Last pre season Goodwin went all in with the 352 by not signing any pacey wingers. Hard to work out which way Robinson is going to start the season, his defensive signings (Gallagher/Strain) I would say point to a 3/5 at the back with Strain seemingly more a wing back like Tanser. If we go with the expected back 3 it would leave Fraser and Tait as the back up options. But looking at the midfield and up front it points to a 433. Potentially Gogic (or A.N other DM)/Baccus/OHara with Ayunga/Brophy/Olusanya up top, with Henderson, Erahon, Kiltie, Flynn and Reid the back up midfield options and Main and Grieve up top(think Kiltie could start to be fair depending on what type of player Baccus is if Gogic doesn’t sign) so if we are to bring 1 more in I would expect it to be Gogic or another defensive type midfielder and that could it? At least we have options with formations. I do worry if go 433 where likes of Kiltie fit. He was great tail end of last season when in the pocket behind the front 2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellthepaw Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 8 hours ago, AW saint said: Our midfield needs a Gogic type of player to break up play. He for me would just about finish the squad. A couple of quality young loan signings and its looking good. Apparently Baccus is a box to box with a bit of flair 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 If it's true he's had a bust up with Ethan, then it's reasonable to say the boy is running out of managerial styles with which he's compatible. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath0-3 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Hello lads. Couple of boys on loan from yous announced last night any idea on what they are like. Aiden Gilmartin & Ewan thomson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBank Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Hello lads. Couple of boys on loan from yous announced last night any idea on what they are like. Aiden Gilmartin & Ewan thomsonCan't really say as they are on the fringes of the first team squad and have only make a brief token appearance. However our Academy is one of the best so anyone coming through it should do a good job in the Lowland League. Best of luck for the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggie_Murray7 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 5 hours ago, IrishBhoy said: Met a guy at my friends birthday party last night who claimed to be a friend of Ryan Flynn. Some of the stuff he was claiming he had been told by Flynn doesn’t paint Robinson in the best light to say the least, and if what he said has any truth behind it I wouldn’t expect to see either Flynn or Erhahon playing any sort of part in the coming season. Obviously it’s not the best source but the guy seemed genuine, and told me this unprompted after I said I supported St Mirren. Some of the stuff he did say may explain a few of the terrible performances near the end of last season, apparently Robinson is a very abrasive character and doesn’t seem to mind butting heads with the players at training, quite literally in the case of Flynn and Erhahon. Flynn played for Robinson at Oldham, then went on to play under him at the tail end of last season and after all of that has gone on to sign a new deal. I think the guy at the party was talking pish IMHO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Bo Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Also didn’t Robinson say he worked with Flynn at Oldham? So you would imagine they both know what each other is like 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Until listening to Robinson's interview yesterday I had no idea our first friendly was tonight or the League Cup starts a week on Saturday. Feels like just the other day the season finished. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 44 minutes ago, Stu said: Feels like just the other day the season finished. I dunno, I've been reading this thread over the past couple of weeks and it's felt like a lifetime. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo87 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I dunno, I've been reading this thread over the past couple of weeks and it's felt like a lifetime.Made me genuinely LOL - well done, doesn’t happen very often! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 23 hours ago, oaksoft said: I appreciate that I'm extreme on my views on convicted criminals and probably in a tiny minority who wants them locked away permanently for the betterment of everyone else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, LIVIFOREVER said: Solid Paisley man and Saints fan.... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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