Work colleagues

[coprolite]

8 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

It's also reclaimed by the employer from tax and NI contribution.

I thought it was too. Apart from covid, that was abolished in 2014. 

[Busta Nut]

19 hours ago, BFTD said:

Does anyone else's work try to make them use annual leave instead of taking sick time?

When I first started at the current job, I heard that was considered standard practice and, right enough, my boss did a lot of squirming about how "most people just use their holiday time" when I finally got the flu. Bollocks to that. One of my colleagues had to take a month off due to major surgery and came back early from the advised convalescence because their annual leave had run out. Mental stuff.

Is that not illegal? 

[Sergeant Wilson]

59 minutes ago, coprolite said:

I thought it was too. Apart from covid, that was abolished in 2014. 

I was only 7 years out of date, not bad for me.

[Northboy]

8 hours ago, hk blues said:

I always worked in factory environments, so a mixture of salaried and hourly-paid employees. 

I've spent a fair time in factory environments too and the salaried vs hourly paid always generates a good debate about who has the better deal.

[Aufc]

The operations director in my work regularly gets a hard on for saying that all salaries people should go onto an hourly rate. I caught him out last time and said it was a great idea and I was happy for that to happen. But my hourly rate would be based on my current salary (I would be paid about £10 an hour more than the highest paid hourly employee), I would also get paid from 7am when I come in and I’d also get to go home when weather is shite and sites are closed and I’d get paid a full day. He quickly realised it would cost the company a shedload of money and hasn’t mentioned it since

[coprolite]

My work, and also my last work, does hour for hour flexi for more junior employees. Then at a given level it's all "reasonable requests to work extra hours".

Mostly that amounts to more or less the same hours but the junior staff can sell flexi back for their hourly rate.  It means that there's normally a pay cut or measly rise  for getting promoted to manager. 

[Jacksgranda]

6 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

It's also reclaimed by the employer from tax and NI contribution.

Rangers must have had some SSP claims...

Edited May 24, 2021 by Jacksgranda
Typo

[BFTD]

19 hours ago, NotThePars said:

That is literally mental and I'm going to book a week's annual leave to come and forcibly unionise everyone in your workplace. Failing that I'll be taking inspiration from certain sports related news headlines and I'll be [PARODY] their [CENSORED] and [IN THE GAME]

There's union involvement in collective bargaining, which is a bit of a laugh in and of itself. Mentioned it before, but there seems to be too cozy a relationship between the union and certain people at the company.

I just assumed everyone was in the union until recently, when it became obvious that some of my colleagues who really needed some union backup had never bothered joining. I've found a way of bringing the subject up with eight or nine folk since then, and I'm the only one paying dues because it's so expensive (it really isn't). That's the point where I gave up trying to encourage people to question what's happening to them.

4 hours ago, Busta Nut said:

Is that not illegal? 

Turns out that they fold when you call their bluff, so it's not something they're stupid enough to try and enforce. It's all guilt and suggestion, which it seems that a lot of my colleagues just go along with.

14 hours ago, Jambomo said:

Fair enough. I think you should be looking to get out mate, between that and being made to take leave when you’re sick, this employer is not only a shit employer but it sounds like a very insecure job if they can close you down and put you out of a job that easily, and the board warning you whilst also turning a blind eye to your manager continuing to do that could be the start of that process. You are in a no-win position so jump before you get pushed.

I refused to use my annual leave to cover sick days right from the off, btw - it's never been mentioned to me again, and I haven't noticed any ill effects, which speaks volumes, I think.

Yeah, I think I'm at the start of a long crawl towards being shown the door, so I'll start looking elsewhere. It's a shame, as I really like the job, and I work with some lovely folk for a good cause...but the attitudes of the people at the top are worrying. Should be nowhere near the third sector.

[BFTD]

Apologies for coming across like that Dunfermline lad, BTW - I'm mainly bringing these things up here because I'm genuinely curious if it's as unusual as it seems to me, and I figured it might be entertaining to discuss some of this stuff...in a horrifying way. I'm not after sympathy or owt, it's my fault I'm still there.

[ICTChris]

BFTD works at a charity.... but they're not that charitable by the sounds of it! 

It’s just my experience but often organisations that are ostensibly the most worthy are also the most prone to bullying and poor behaviour. See the numerous bullying scandals in the NHS and various charities.

[Jambomo]

1 hour ago, BFTD said:

I refused to use my annual leave to cover sick days right from the off, btw - it's never been mentioned to me again, and I haven't noticed any ill effects, which speaks volumes, I think.

Glad to hear it, it’s definitely a shady practice whether it’s outright illegal or not. Honestly, I reckon you can do loads better work wise.

[hk blues]

15 hours ago, Northboy said:

I've spent a fair time in factory environments too and the salaried vs hourly paid always generates a good debate about who has the better deal.

Indeed!  Both have their pros and cons and it's difficult to look at individual elements of the respective packages in isolation.  

[V.Aye.R]

Anyone left a job when dept are already stretched?

I've got a reasonable chance of a move shortly but have a slight guilt about the colleagues left behind in that scenario.

A little stockholm syndrome perhaps but the management are hopeless. I'm not irreplaceable by any means but it'll leave a gap approaching holiday season etc.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, V.Aye.R said:

Anyone left a job when dept are already stretched?

I've got a reasonable chance of a move shortly but have a slight guilt about the colleagues left behind in that scenario.

A little stockholm syndrome perhaps but the management are hopeless. I'm not irreplaceable by any means but it'll leave a gap approaching holiday season etc.

The Indispensable Man

(by Saxon White Kessinger)

Sometime when you're feeling important;
Sometime when your ego 's in bloom;
Sometime when you take it for granted,
You're the best qualified in the room:
Sometime when you feel that your going,
Would leave an unfillable hole,
Just follow these simple instructions,
And see how they humble your soul.  

Take a bucket and fill it with water,
Put your hand in it up to the wrist,
Pull it out and the hole that's remaining,
Is a measure of how much you'll be missed.
You can splash all you wish when you enter,
You may stir up the water galore,
But stop, and you'll find that in no time,
It looks quite the same as before.  

The moral of this quaint example,
Is to do just the best that you can,
Be proud of yourself but remember,
There's no indispensable man.

[V.Aye.R]

The Indispensable Man
(by Saxon White Kessinger)
Sometime when you're feeling important;
Sometime when your ego 's in bloom;
Sometime when you take it for granted,
You're the best qualified in the room:
Sometime when you feel that your going,
Would leave an unfillable hole,
Just follow these simple instructions,
And see how they humble your soul.  
Take a bucket and fill it with water,
Put your hand in it up to the wrist,
Pull it out and the hole that's remaining,
Is a measure of how much you'll be missed.
You can splash all you wish when you enter,
You may stir up the water galore,
But stop, and you'll find that in no time,
It looks quite the same as before.  
The moral of this quaint example,
Is to do just the best that you can,
Be proud of yourself but remember,
There's no indispensable man.

Cheers, a good analogy I hadn't read before, I do feel guilty about whos hand goes into the bucket afterwards though.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, V.Aye.R said:

17 minutes ago, Yflab said:

The Indispensable Man
(by Saxon White Kessinger)
Sometime when you're feeling important;
Sometime when your ego 's in bloom;
Sometime when you take it for granted,
You're the best qualified in the room:
Sometime when you feel that your going,
Would leave an unfillable hole,
Just follow these simple instructions,
And see how they humble your soul.  
Take a bucket and fill it with water,
Put your hand in it up to the wrist,
Pull it out and the hole that's remaining,
Is a measure of how much you'll be missed.
You can splash all you wish when you enter,
You may stir up the water galore,
But stop, and you'll find that in no time,
It looks quite the same as before.  
The moral of this quaint example,
Is to do just the best that you can,
Be proud of yourself but remember,
There's no indispensable man.

Cheers, a good analogy I hadn't read before, I do feel guilty about whos hand goes into the bucket afterwards though.

Never, ever feel guilty about leaving a work situation. If you have a new job that interests you and pays you better, just remember that your boss or colleagues would dump you very easily if roles were reversed. 

My advice is go for it and don’t look back. 

[Derry Alli]

52 minutes ago, V.Aye.R said:

Anyone left a job when dept are already stretched?

I've got a reasonable chance of a move shortly but have a slight guilt about the colleagues left behind in that scenario. 

Pack up and move on. It's the (already noted) bad management's problem - not yours. 

Edited May 25, 2021 by Mr. Alli

[DA Baracus]

1 hour ago, V.Aye.R said:

Anyone left a job when dept are already stretched?

I've got a reasonable chance of a move shortly but have a slight guilt about the colleagues left behind in that scenario.

A little stockholm syndrome perhaps but the management are hopeless. I'm not irreplaceable by any means but it'll leave a gap approaching holiday season etc.

Aye, it isn't your fault if they are left short handed. Management should hire more folk to avoid that. 

If you stayed and missed out on a new (presumably better) job, what would you get for it? 

[V.Aye.R]

I say *slight* guilt, its more about negotiating past all the dispair of colleagues in the short term [emoji23]

[Bairnardo]

I say *slight* guilt, its more about negotiating past all the dispair of colleagues in the short term [emoji23]

Simply console yourself by knowing that the answer to "how many of them would feel guilty about moving on?" Is...... None of them.