tirso Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 37 minutes ago, GTG_03 said: Yip. They're at the point of no return. They've asked for a legal referendum and were denied, they've asked for dialogue regarding further powers and were denied. The EU will lose a lot of support if the Catalans declare independence, Spain bin the Catalan parliament and the EU do nothing. People deserve a vote on their future. Some of the commentariat claim because Catalunya has a parliament they cannot therefore be legally "oppressed" and therefore do not fall under international law. Wait with ears open for their reversal of opinion when Spain gets rid of all Catalan autonomy. by the by, international law on these matters are for the bucket. Can claim and counter claim but it's all about political will. I love how English commentators who have little knowledge of the situation just opine Spain is a democracy and all good. The language and culture was oppressed in living memory. It's not like the Scottish clearances. It's not like north korea or Africa but you can still be oppressed without being shot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: There is no benefit whatever to UDI. No-one will recognise it, it will likely mean suspension of Catalan parliament and the pro Indy moderates won't like it. It's a shite state of affairs but despite their legitimate grievances the Catalan independence movement needs to play the game in Europe and put pressure on for a Madrid recognised referendum. This might not happen today or even next year. Eu will never recognise it or push Spain unti it's forced. We've been trying for years. I don't want UDI either but without UDI i see no pressure on Spain to do anything. If SNP said they wanted a referendum for 5 years and every year they say no. And everyone looks the other way, what do you do? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 minute ago, tirso said: Eu will never recognise it or push Spain unti it's forced. We've been trying for years. I don't want UDI either but without UDI i see no pressure on Spain to do anything. If SNP said they wanted a referendum for 5 years and every year they say no. And everyone looks the other way, what do you do? I tend to agree with this. Problem is I think Catalonia expected Spain to be more conciliatory at this point. Since their being hard nosed instead I think UDI is the only option. That or capitulation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Reckon they will do a Scotland and bottle it. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) 33 minutes ago, tirso said: Eu will never recognise it or push Spain unti it's forced. We've been trying for years. I don't want UDI either but without UDI i see no pressure on Spain to do anything. If SNP said they wanted a referendum for 5 years and every year they say no. And everyone looks the other way, what do you do? TBH no one gave a monkeys about Catalonia until the other week. It's on the international agenda now, the challenge is to keep it there without completely alienating potential allies. UDI doesn't put any pressure on Spain whatsoever, everyone can just dismiss it as illegitimate. TBH I'm not 100% convinced with what I'm saying as ,like I said, Spain have behaved abysmally as have the EU, it's just my best guess at what might achieve the end game in long term. Edited October 10, 2017 by invergowrie arab 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 If you want a laugh watch the bbcs coverage just now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 If you want a laugh watch the bbcs coverage just now The only thing they havent mentioned is an el vowo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Are we independent yet? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 31 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Are we independent yet? Shat it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Suspended for dialogue with Madrid. Hmmmm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
come on shire Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I wonder if Scotland will get the chance to scrape a 1-0 win against them at football? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Just now, come on shire said: I wonder if Scotland will get the chance to scrape a 1-0 win against them at football? They'll tank us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I wonder if Scotland will get the chance to scrape a 1-0 win against them at football? Depends if their players are big and physical 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Just now, Jeff Venom said: Depends if their players are big and physical Nah, Strachan's already accepted that they're a special form of midget. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Ffs Catalonia. Least Scotland wasn't beaten up by the police. Utter shitebags -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 If Catalonia become independent does that push us up to the third smallest team genetically? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 It's shite being Catalan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 JLD's #takes on this thread are sizzling hot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I suspect now the Catalan independence movement will implode and do Rajoys job for him now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I suspect now the Catalan independence movement will implode and do Rajoys job for him now. Guaranteed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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