Granny Danger Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 50 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: That’s completely untrue. All of it. Not one part of that is factually correct. The first sentence may prove accurate. Spain is in totally uncharted territory and it is very difficult to predict how it will play out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I'll go for November 3rd in the "when will Celtic and Rangers try to join the Catalan League" sweep. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Rajoy knew he had the backing of the EU and Trump way before he ordered his police to draw batons. That's why he took and continues to take a hard line with Catalonia. The EU citizens must make their voices heard across every member country as this is about democracy. We're in uncharted territory now and nobody knows for certain how this will end. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Charges of "rebellion" to be issued by the Spanish courts, any attempt at putting Catalan leaders behind bars will surely light the blue touch paper to this powder keg. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Sunny Hundal making a late bid for worst Twitter #HotTake of 2017, on this very topic no less: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sureiknow Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 3 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: f**k all to do with Spain now. Catalonia is an independent sovereign republic. As seen on Twitter Catalonia is Spanish Scotland is British As it stands, true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Sunny Hundal making a late bid for worst Twitter #HotTake of 2017, on this very topic no less: He'll top that at Christmas when he's pished out his tree. Sunny Hundal's drunk tweets >>>> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 3 hours ago, welshbairn said: As is Catalonia, which has been one of the most prosperous parts of Spain with pretty well full cultural and language rights. If the Popular Party hadn't butchered the agreed devolved powers rules in 2010 this wouldn't have happened, but the Catalonians are behaving like lemmings too. There seems to be something about the Spanish where they're generally laid back and rational but when a certain switch is clicked they have to attack windmills. as opposed to the British who seceed from the eu...like lemmings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 8 hours ago, ayrmad said: Hopefully this will lead to the EU collapsing, I'm sick fed up of the establishment and big business running the show. The break up of nation states will empower the EU. A group of nations which can't properly defend their interests will inevitably be swallowed up politically. Since a certain amount of people will want to move from where they are born and high achievers often need to move in order to maximize their potential, there will be demand for a superstate which will inevitably take more and more power. Catalonia will have their own flag, a national soccer team, and eventually no more real political power than they had in Spain. 5 hours ago, welshbairn said: Who voted for independence? 48% in the last election is the only credible one internationally. This is the issue. What about the people there who want to be part of Spain? Yes, the Spanish government behaved in an abhorrent fashion regarding the referendum. But there's no evidence from any vote that a majority of people want independence. The Spanish central government is the only group with the ability to defend the rights of what might be the majority of the people in Catalonia. This is a really shitty move by the separatists. Any decent person recognizes that changing political bonds which have existed for hundreds of years is a major deal to their friends and neighbors. It's not like other political questions. These things should be handled with care and respect for all views. Separatists have a responsibility to make sure their view is solidly in the majority before permanent action is taken. Otherwise they lose any moral high ground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Just like a Castillian. Brought a knife to a gunfight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 The Catalans want the right to hold an independence referendum, and for the result of which to be honoured by the Spanish government. It will be more and more difficult to deny the Catalan people that right as time goes by. I'm not convinced that such a vote would result in favour of the independence movement at this time but it seems the Spanish government is worried about creating a precedent. A majority in favour of Indepence/a referendum in any new Catalan parliament will make Rajoy's position untenable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 13 hours ago, Kejan said: Is this the first country to recognise the new Catalan state? The Gambia https://mobile.twitter.com/MFAGambia That was a wind up apparently. Finland appears to be on the verge of doing it: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/872094/spain-catalonia-independence-news-EU-finland-Mikko-Karna Guess they arguably achieved independence through a UDI, so that might come into play in motivation terms, but was expecting Slovenia to be the prime candidate to break ranks on this in EU terms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 20 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: That was a wind up apparently. Finland appears to be on the verge of doing it: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/872094/spain-catalonia-independence-news-EU-finland-Mikko-Karna Guess they arguably achieved independence through a UDI, so that might come into play in motivation terms, but was expecting Slovenia to be the prime candidate to break ranks on this in EU terms. That's just one oddball MP, there is no way Finland will recognise Catalonian independence without a clear mandate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Finland's foreign affairs Twitter (going by google translate) are roughly saying ''We stand by Spain, etc'' https://twitter.com/ulkoministerio 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 46 minutes ago, Kejan said: Finland's foreign affairs Twitter (going by google translate) are roughly saying ''We stand by Spain, etc'' https://twitter.com/ulkoministerio Bit more on it here. https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/foreign_minister_rejects_rumour_of_finnish_recognition_for_catalan_independence_spanish_government_has_our_full_support/9906032 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Equatorial Kundu and Nambia have recognised them. Not surprised, tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 The Kunduns will do anything to get on the news. the tarts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Have to say the Catalan unionists look a right bunch of c***s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 22 minutes ago, Ad Lib said: Equatorial Kundu and Nambia have recognised them. Not surprised, tbh. I had to look it up! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: Have to say the Catalan unionists look a right bunch of c***s. "non-separists", shirley? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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