welshbairn Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 8 Catalan Ministers sent to jail, bail refused. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 What a terrible situation we are in. So sad. Madrid has gone completely insane. I cannot believe it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Espana el mintero 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 1 hour ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: The EU have been fuckin murder since this whole thing realy kicked off at the start of last month, they'v backed spain to the hilt and empowered them to act in the way they have including their comment about how they do not want member states fracturing, as if it should be any of their business at all, Cant believe so many indy supporters are tripping over themselves to join the EU as if its the greatest thing ever. no point swapping one foreign ruler for another. thank f**k we're leaving Is it the ruler? I thought Spain was the tyrannical autocrat here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Antlion said: Is it the ruler? I thought Spain was the tyrannical autocrat here. I'm well confused, does he think the EU should be bossing about a sovereign Government or do nothing as they currently are? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I've decided I definitely want Catalonia to win. It makes it more interesting if you pick a side to support. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Bully Wee Villa said: I've decided I definitely want Catalonia to win. It makes it more interesting if you pick a side to support. I think Madrid have ensured they will eventually. They'll never be trusted again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 19 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I'm well confused, does he think the EU should be bossing about a sovereign Government or do nothing as they currently are? They haven't done nothing tho have they? they've publicly backed Spain and Rajoy stating law and constitution , now if you were to swap Spain with Serbia I think their tone would be very different, The EU would be quite within their right to sit back and say this is an internal matter for Spain and we will await the outcome, a statement about not wanting to set a precident with fractures in member states and so on is allowing the Spannish government to act the way they are. if they didn't have that backing they wouldn't be taking such a hard line, The EU is only democratic when it suits them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: They haven't done nothing tho have they? they've publicly backed Spain and Rajoy stating law and constitution , now if you were to swap Spain with Serbia I think their tone would be very different, The EU would be quite within their right to sit back and say this is an internal matter for Spain and we will await the outcome, a statement about not wanting to set a precident with fractures in member states and so on is allowing the Spannish government to act the way they are. if they didn't have that backing they wouldn't be taking such a hard line, The EU is only democratic when it suits them The EU haven't recognised Kosovo because 5 of their member countries have blocked it. It's the member countries that decide things, on its own the EU have no powers to intervene. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 14 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: They haven't done nothing tho have they? they've publicly backed Spain and Rajoy stating law and constitution , now if you were to swap Spain with Serbia I think their tone would be very different, The EU would be quite within their right to sit back and say this is an internal matter for Spain and we will await the outcome, a statement about not wanting to set a precident with fractures in member states and so on is allowing the Spannish government to act the way they are. if they didn't have that backing they wouldn't be taking such a hard line, The EU is only democratic when it suits them So if Scotland joined the EU, it wouldn't be "swapping one foreign ruler for another", it would be joining a ... what ... union of nations which includes ones with dickhead governments, and has leaders that are democratic when it suits them? That's quite a difference from "swapping one foreign ruler for another". I agree that the EU has been pathetic on this, btw - but it's clearly not a "ruler" of its member states in the way the UK is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 12 minutes ago, Antlion said: ...I agree that the EU has been pathetic on this, btw - but it's clearly not a "ruler" of its member states in the way the UK is. They do take action against member states sometimes when basic principles of liberal democracy are viewed as being under threat: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-politics-eu/eu-starts-action-against-poland-over-judiciary-reforms-idUSKBN1AE0CD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I've decided I definitely want Catalonia to win. It makes it more interesting if you pick a side to support. Israel or Palestine? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 https://twitter.com/catalannews/status/926156748674740224 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Puigdemont seems to be getting a hard time back home for fucking off to Brussels instead of a Madrid jail. I personally think the guy's a bit of a dick, but forcing it to be a European issue means the EU have to get involved. It seems like people are getting put in prison for purely political and nonviolent acts. Europe has a a few rules about that kind of thing, and Belgium in particular has rules about extraditing people to countries where they may not get a fair trial, even EU members. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Could be the start of it kicking off. https://twitter.com/catalannews/status/926220013740220416 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 And some Manga. http://catalannews.com/news/item/2-nov-17-tv-news-spain-jails-catalan-government 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 By going to Brussels he can challenge extradition requests in a non-Spanish court thus internationalising the issue At least that’s what I think he’s up to 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 By going to Brussels he can challenge extradition requests in a non-Spanish court thus internationalising the issue At least that’s what I think he’s up to Or he's just ran away... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Or he's just ran away... That’s certainly another possibility Although Belgium seems an odd choice in that scenario 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 7 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: That’s certainly another possibility Although Belgium seems an odd choice in that scenario Chocolate and Tintin. What more could an international fugitive desire? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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