c***s on the road

[hk blues]

2 minutes ago, 101 said:

He enters and tries to drive down the right hand lane of a road, it's a fundamental mistake and that's after not giving way to oncoming traffic.

 

6 minutes ago, hk blues said:

The van driver was in the wrong initially...

Aye.

[Zetterlund]

23 minutes ago, Eatmygoal said:

I'm not on twitter so no idea about vine personally. This looks like a cyclist braking to avoid a van turning across him, then starting off presuming the van will be going forward and not reversing! I have no idea how this is the cyclists fault and it's concerning that it could be interpreted as such.

I'm not saying it was the cyclist's fault , only that he put himself in a dangerous situation unnecessarily, seemingly to record the van driver's mistake. 

It's 2 separate incidents really, the van driver's initial mistake then the collision after the cyclist stopped behind it. The cyclist very much shares the blame for the second incident, imo.

[Michael W]

Avoiding collisions is a fundamental aspects of being a road user and it still applies when someone else has made an error. The realisation an error has been made is often when you end up having to take evasive action. The correct course of action here was certainly not going right behind the van (where you couldn't be seen). 

But slowing down and letting the van back out of the cycle lane and back to the road wouldn't be good for #numbers now, would it? Even if you can fit in a few swearies. 

[Eatmygoal]

2 hours ago, Zetterlund said:

I'm not saying it was the cyclist's fault , only that he put himself in a dangerous situation unnecessarily, seemingly to record the van driver's mistake. 

It's 2 separate incidents really, the van driver's initial mistake then the collision after the cyclist stopped behind it. The cyclist very much shares the blame for the second incident, imo.

Okay I agree with that take that the cyclist should have used a bit more common sense and not have put them self in harms way.

However it is definitely up to the driver to make sure they are safe to reverse in any situation. The driver clearly knows there is a cyclist nearby too. You don't just slam your car/van/lorry into reverse gear and hit the accelerator. You've got to make sure it's safe before moving.

[hk blues]

12 minutes ago, Eatmygoal said:

Okay I agree with that take that the cyclist should have used a bit more common sense and not have put them self in harms way.

However it is definitely up to the driver to make sure they are safe to reverse in any situation. The driver clearly knows there is a cyclist nearby too. You don't just slam your car/van/lorry into reverse gear and hit the accelerator. You've got to make sure it's safe before moving.

I think it's a bit more than common sense the cyclist should have shown - he was being a dick albeit (slightly) less of a one than the driver. 

[welshbairn]

 

[morrison]

Stunned that the drivers on here are managing to shift any of the blame on to the cyclist here. 

The van reverses onto the cyclist as soon as he's started going round him. The van hasn't even looked before slamming into reverse. It's entirely their fault.

[coprolite]

Yeah, he's seen Vine, recognised him and tried to do society a favour on purpose. 

[Zetterlund]

16 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

 

 

14 minutes ago, morrison said:

Stunned that the drivers on here are managing to shift any of the blame on to the cyclist here. 

The van reverses onto the cyclist as soon as he's started going round him. The van hasn't even looked before slamming into reverse. It's entirely their fault.

If it got legal it would likely be ruled entirely the driver's fault, however it wouldn't have happened if JV had acted with more common sense and been less concerned with filming it.

[Zetterlund]

This is also for the 'out of the mouth of babes' thread, but on occasion when my wife has been driving and I've strongly advised her to take some evasive action due to some other c**t on the road driving like a c**t, the instinctive response seems to be "aye but it would've been his fault". I'd prefer to just not get in an accident anyway, regardless of who might've been at fault.

[thistledo]

He's caused a collision by not avoiding a collision when he could have, just to prove a point. If a driver of a vehicle acted in the same manner even with right of way they'd be considered a bad driver and so this makes Jeremy Vine a baaadd... 

It's like people who speed up to close gaps when they adjudge the driver ahead in a different lane to be about to change lanes. A c**t if you will. 

Edited September 14, 2023 by thistledo

[hk blues]

20 minutes ago, morrison said:

Stunned that the drivers on here are managing to shift any of the blame on to the cyclist here. 

The van reverses onto the cyclist as soon as he's started going round him. The van hasn't even looked before slamming into reverse. It's entirely their fault.

 

3 minutes ago, Zetterlund said:

 

 

The Great British public has spoken and confirmed that Vine is to blame. and by a considerable margin.

I hope the van driver sues him for any damage done to the van.  

[hk blues]

3 minutes ago, Zetterlund said:

This is also for the 'out of the mouth of babes' thread, but on occasion when my wife has been driving and I've strongly advised her to take some evasive action due to some other c**t on the road driving like a c**t, the instinctive response seems to be "aye but it would've been his fault". I'd prefer to just not get in an accident anyway, regardless of who might've been at fault.

The wife tried that a few weeks back when I was (trying) to help her drive.  There were 2 dog kennels close to the kerb and she almost clipped one or both of them (my eyes were shut so I can't be sure) and then claimed they shouldn't be so close to the kerb - of course I pointed out the same could be said for her.  I've tried a few times to assist her in her driving but pretty much have given up - she seems to have some magnetic attraction to whatever happens to be on her right side and wants to get as close as possible - fine if we're in the UK and she could see perfectly how close she is but we're not and she can't.

[Michael W]

15 minutes ago, Zetterlund said:

This is also for the 'out of the mouth of babes' thread, but on occasion when my wife has been driving and I've strongly advised her to take some evasive action due to some other c**t on the road driving like a c**t, the instinctive response seems to be "aye but it would've been his fault". I'd prefer to just not get in an accident anyway, regardless of who might've been at fault.

This is exactly the sort of attitude that causes accidents. And in some cases, not taking evasive action might turn "it's their fault" into both parties being adjudged at fault. For example, not slowing down if someone pulls out of a junction when they shouldn't. The other party has made a mistake, but if you don't react to it and take action to avoid the collision then you are making a mistake as well. 

Even if is was the other party's fault, is not doing anything worth the resulting annoyance of sorting out insurance claims, or the risk of potentially serious injury? Absolutely not. 

Edited September 14, 2023 by Michael W

[welshbairn]

Stupid driver should have guessed that a cyclist would stop in his blind spot to film his number plate instead of cycling round him. 

[Central Belt Caley]

Vine shows the problem with a lot of road users pretty well, a lot of people don’t know what’s happening past 10 feet in front of their bonnet/front wheel/etc. Hazard perception is lacking with a lot of folk which you can see from the numerous dashcam clips on YouTube where instead of slowing down, people end up in collisions that were easily avoidable.

Anyway, I had a c**t on the road on the M80 yesterday who took great umbrage with the fact I was braking as the traffic in front had started braking. Started flashing his lights and all sorts, then pulled into the inside lane and started flashing his lights at some random jeep on foreign plates. 
 

He eventually past me as I took the turn off for the Kincardine bridge and he looked like he was about to explode. Very angry gammon 

[Zetterlund]

Tbh I'm glad I don't have to drive in cities regularly, and London in particular looks like a nightmare.

As well as the regular traffic signs and lights you have all the cycle lanes with their own signs and lights, bus lanes (possibly with time restrictions), ULEZ zones/cameras, one-way systems etc etc.

Basically by the time I've got to a junction and worked out first of all if I'm allowed to turn the way I want to go, checked the time to see if I'm allowed to use the left hand lane, worked out which traffic light applies to me and reassured myself I'm not going to receive a fine through the post if I take my intended route, who knows how many cyclists I've already mown down while I was distracted.

[saint dave]

My Mrs and her brother saw the cops pull a cyclist at George Square for going through a red light. Never seen that happen before. 

[Molotov]

1 minute ago, saint dave said:

My Mrs and her brother saw the cops pull a cyclist at George Square for going through a red light. Never seen that happen before. 

hopefully it was Jeremy Vine and they throw the key away. 

[alta-pete]

22 minutes ago, saint dave said:

My Mrs and her brother saw the cops pull a cyclist at George Square for going through a red light. Never seen that happen before. 

I've told this story before but 25 years ago (wowzers!!) I was dropping keys into an office at the corner of West George Street and West Nile Street. I had parked on the yellow lines but once done I wanted to go up West Nile Street which meant crossing three lanes of traffic at the junction - impossible. My plan was therfore to wait for the red light on West George Street and nip out and left turn before the green light came on to let the West Nile Street traffic go.

Executed it perfectly until I looked in my mirror and saw I was being pursued at a gallop by two of Strathclyde's finest on horseback that had been waiting at the West Nile Street lights. Stil maintain that I'm the only guy to have been caught in the city centre after a hot pursuit by the county mounties.