Ad Lib Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 49 minutes ago, welshbairn said: You frequently undermine your own arguments by taking things to the logical extreme and end up defending the indefensible. Bombing the propaganda centres of a genocidal regime is not just not “indefensible”; it’s extremely easy to defend because it is the objectively correct thing to do. There’s nothing “logically extreme” about this. It is a mainstream liberal interventionist stance. Similarly, it is very mainstream to say that isn’t remotely comparable to a state mouthpiece covering up a quasi-dictatorship assassinating and imprisoning journalists for dissent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Ad Lib said: Puppet propagandists for genocidal dictators aren’t journalists and aren’t conducting journalism. Bombing Milosovic’s TV stations helped to stop genocide. Helping the Russian Government to cover up the covert abduction and assassination of journalists enables and protects a regime that explicitly protects a dictator that uses chemical weapons on civillians in Syria. Maybe they could taken out transmitters before deciding to kill innocent civilians? Killing is ok for one side and bad for the other.... I despair 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ad Lib said: Bombing Milosovic’s TV stations helped to stop genocide. BTW the TV station was back up and running 24 hours later from a different location, just with 16 less people. Edited November 12, 2017 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 16 minutes ago, Colkitto said: Maybe they could taken out transmitters before deciding to kill innocent It would have been the best thing to do as Welshbairn says... 11 minutes ago, welshbairn said: BTW the TV station was back up and running 24 hours later from a different location, just with 16 less people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Always good to see a liberal interventionist pushing the stumbling reluctant empire narrative. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: BTW the TV station was back up and running 24 hours later from a different location, just with 16 less people. Your beef is that’s it was a strategically suboptimal thing to do then, not that it was morally indefensible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ad Lib said: Your beef is that’s it was a strategically suboptimal thing to do then, not that it was morally indefensible. No, I'm against murdering journalists and their colleagues full stop. I was just pointing out that it didn't even achieve their primary objective. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 How's your window cleaner, Loonie? All right but i think he has forgot about Catalonia since he formally recognised it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Still a terrible troll but you keep on trying Every word of it is true though.He will be selling his own Dvds off a decorating table at small town Gala Days eventually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Every word of it is true though.He will be selling his own Dvds off a decorating table at small town Gala Days eventually. Terrible troll again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 37 minutes ago, Loondave1 said: Every word of it is true though.He will be selling his own Dvds off a decorating table at small town Gala Days eventually. There are worse ways to make a living tbf. Like hosting a chat show on Russian TV amarite ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 First post in this thread. As a supporter of Independence and an SNP member I have huge admiration for Salmond and his contribution to the Independence movement. In the ongoing fight for Independence I believe he still has a role to play and his ability to fulfil that role will be diminished by this decision. I think he’s always been a wee bit egoistical and this has led to an error of judgement. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Loondave1 said: Every word of it is true though.He will be selling his own Dvds off a decorating table at small town Gala Days eventually. Bo'ness, for example? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: No, I'm against murdering journalists and their colleagues full stop. I was just pointing out that it didn't even achieve their primary objective. Killing journalists incidentally as part of a legitimate military operation isn’t murder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ad Lib said: Killing journalists incidentally as part of a legitimate military operation isn’t murder. It's ok when it's the "good guys" eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Britain is 40th in the world for press freedom (which is still not particularly good), while Russia is 148th. They're not equivalents. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Britain is 40th in the world for press freedom (which is still not particularly good), while Russia is 148th. They're not equivalents. What's first? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: What's first? Norway. The top 5 are the Scandanavian countries and the Netherlands. For comparison: UK: 40th Ireland :14th Germany: 16th France: 39th Spain: 29th Italy: 52nd Canada: 22nd USA: 43rd Edited November 12, 2017 by Carl Cort's Hamstring 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Colkitto said: It's ok when it's the "good guys" eh? Not all killing is wrong, but deliberate killing of political opponents and journalists purely because they criticise your regime is bad. Glad we’ve cleared that up. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said: Bo'ness, for example? Maybe but a children's fair festival is the big thing there rather than a gala day. Not sure what to make of the RT move by Alex S. Overall the channel has a lot of good content in my experience and is arguably no more blatantly biased than something like CNN or Fox News, but that's not the way it is generally perceived so this looks like a desperate attempt to stay in the limelight more than anything else that would complicate his return to frontline politics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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