HibeeJibee Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 4 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: 9th May 1964, St. Mirren v Third Lanark. The pitch in some state. ETA John Wilson was a full back played as a forward. This was a Summer Cup tie. 4 hours ago, tamthebam said: Teams just got on with it in those days. Unless Thirds issued a "statement" back then... 3 hours ago, Boghead ranter said: That pitch Unless a lot of reserve football was happening it wasn't through overuse either... there wasn't any first team game on Love Street between April 4th and May 6th i.e. 3 days before that photo was taken ! Incidentally players moan about long seasons nowadays but it wasn't too different then - St Mirren started with Paisley Charity Cup on Aug 3rd, and ended with Renfrewshire Cup Final 2nd leg on May 26th, with is basically 10 full months (no winter break in those days!). They played 54 competitive games... 8 more than this season (or only 7 if you count the 'Communities Cup')... despite only progressing past India Inchinnan, Dundee Utd - after a replay - and Stranraer in the cups. Edited May 9 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HibeeJibee Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 5 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: St Mirren started with Paisley Charity Cup on Aug 3rd, and ended with Renfrewshire Cup Final 2nd leg on May 26th 55 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: In fairness Morton only twice contested the Paisley Charity Cup - in 1930 and 1931. From the 1920s to 1950s with Abercorn gone St Mirren invited another Scottish club - almost always from Glasgow (but never OF). Then in 1960s it was used to get around preseason friendly ban and host an English side each August. Last edition in 1968 shared with Preston. 1920 St Mirren 2-0 Abercorn Abercorn folded later that year 1921 not played 1922 St Mirren 4-1 Third Lanark 1923 not played 1924 St Mirren 2-0 Queen's Park 1925 St Mirren 4-2 Queen's Park 1926 St Mirren 3-0 Queen's Park (at Hampden) 1927 St Mirren 1-1 Queen's Park 1928 St Mirren 4-1 Third Lanark 1929 St Mirren 6-1 Third Lanark 1930 St Mirren 0-2 Greenock Morton 1931 St Mirren 4-1 Greenock Morton 1932 St Mirren 2-1 East Stirlingshire 1933 not played 1934 St Mirren 3-4 Albion Rovers 1935 St Mirren 5-2 Albion Rovers 1936 St Mirren 0-3 Partick Thistle 1937 not played 1938 St Mirren 2-2 Partick Thistle 1939 St Mirren 0-0 Clyde (4-7 corners) 1940 St Mirren 0-3 Clyde war emergency 1945 St Mirren 2-0 Clyde 1946 St Mirren 2-4 Airdrieonians 1947 St Mirren 7-1 Airdrieonians 1948 St Mirren 2-1 East Fife 1949 St Mirren 3-1 Queen's Park 1950 St Mirren 0-1 Barnsley 1951 St Mirren 5-2 Carlisle Utd 1952 St Mirren 4-3 Grimsby Town 1953 St Mirren 2-4 Kettering Town (?) 1954 St Mirren 4-0 Kilmarnock 1955 St Mirren 1-1 Kilmarnock 1956 St Mirren 1-3 Leicester City 1957 St Mirren 2-1 Falkirk 1958 St Mirren 4-1 Brentford match moved from end of season to start of season (no match in 1958-59) 1959 St Mirren 3-0 Manchester City 1960 St Mirren 3-4 Manchester City 1961 St Mirren 3-1 Leicester City 1962 St Mirren 1-1 Norwich City 1963 St Mirren 2-5 Chelsea 1964 St Mirren 0-0 Norwich City 1965 St Mirren 0-2 Northampton Town 1967 St Mirren 3-3 Ipswich Town 1968 St Mirren 1-1 Preston North End Edited May 9 by HibeeJibee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, HibeeJibee said: In fairness Morton only twice contested the Paisley Charity Cup - in 1930 and 1931. From the 1920s to 1950s with Abercorn gone St Mirren invited another Scottish club - almost always from Glasgow (but never OF). Then in 1960s it was used to get around preseason friendly ban and host an English side each August. Last edition in 1968 shared with Preston. 1920 St Mirren 2-0 Abercorn Abercorn folded later that year 1921 not played 1922 St Mirren 4-1 Third Lanark 1923 not played 1924 St Mirren 2-0 Queen's Park 1925 St Mirren 4-2 Queen's Park 1926 St Mirren 3-0 Queen's Park (at Hampden) 1927 St Mirren 1-1 Queen's Park 1928 St Mirren 4-1 Third Lanark 1929 St Mirren 6-1 Third Lanark 1930 St Mirren 0-2 Greenock Morton 1931 St Mirren 4-1 Greenock Morton 1932 St Mirren 2-1 East Stirlingshire 1933 not played 1934 St Mirren 3-4 Albion Rovers 1935 St Mirren 5-2 Albion Rovers 1936 St Mirren 0-3 Partick Thistle 1937 not played 1938 St Mirren 2-2 Partick Thistle 1939 St Mirren 0-0 Clyde (4-7 corners) 1940 St Mirren 0-3 Clyde war emergency 1945 St Mirren 2-0 Clyde 1946 St Mirren 2-4 Airdrieonians 1947 St Mirren 7-1 Airdrieonians 1948 St Mirren 2-1 East Fife 1949 St Mirren 3-1 Queen's Park 1950 St Mirren 0-1 Barnsley 1951 St Mirren 5-2 Carlisle Utd 1952 St Mirren 4-3 Grimsby Town 1953 St Mirren 2-4 Kettering Town (?) 1954 St Mirren 4-0 Kilmarnock 1955 St Mirren 1-1 Kilmarnock 1956 St Mirren 1-3 Leicester City 1957 St Mirren 2-1 Falkirk 1958 St Mirren 4-1 Brentford match moved from end of season to start of season (no match in 1958-59) 1959 St Mirren 3-0 Manchester City 1960 St Mirren 3-4 Manchester City 1961 St Mirren 3-1 Leicester City 1962 St Mirren 1-1 Norwich City 1963 St Mirren 2-5 Chelsea 1964 St Mirren 0-0 Norwich City 1965 St Mirren 0-2 Northampton Town 1967 St Mirren 3-3 Ipswich Town 1968 St Mirren 1-1 Preston North End All very good but it was the Renfrewshire Cup that hadn't been won by Morton at that point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Just now, Arch Stanton said: All very good but it was the Renfrewshire Cup that hadn't been won by Morton at that point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flybhoy Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Aberdeen with the 1987 Tennents sixes, anyone know the guy bottom right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 34 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Then in 1960s it was used to get around preseason friendly ban and host an English side each August. Never heard of this ban before HJ, anymore info? it seems bizarre 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tout P'ti FC Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Flybhoy said: Aberdeen with the 1987 Tennents sixes, anyone know the guy bottom right? I’ve found the squad here: https://aberdeen-fc.com/aberdeen-fc-tennents-sixes/tennents-sixes.html#gsc.tab=0. Based on which I think the guy in question might be Brian Mitchell? I’m not fully convinced on this, but I’m going by a process of elimination. Simmie, Angus, Stark, Leighton, Grant. McMaster, Porteous, Miller (J), Mitchell. I was at this edition of the Tennents Sixes. My memory of the occasion isn’t vivid alas, although I do remember dropping something (possibly a hat) behind the temporary stand never to be seen again. EDIT - I think the photo might be the 1986 team? McLeish lifted the cup in 1987, I don’t see him in the photo. Strip also looks like the 1986 strip. Stevie Gray was also in the 1986 team, the mystery guy is either Mitchell or Gray (possibly neither!). Edited May 9 by Le Tout P'ti FC Light googling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, parsforlife said: Never heard of this ban before HJ, anymore info? it seems bizarre Scottish clubs were banned from playing preseason friendlies until 1965 and not at home until 1966... in England the ban had lifted in 1961. I think Hearts 4-2 Maccabi Tel Aviv on Monday 1st August 1966 was Scotland's first regular preseason friendly. SFA/SFL competitive season ran from 2nd Saturday in August to end of April. You'll find most clubs would play a couple of internal public practice matches in early August like 'Probables v Possibles' or 'Whites v Blacks' (although I think they had to let people in free or donate the gate?). However you could get around it by playing in a competitive tournament or a charity competition. SFA would almost grant bespoke permission for tours and in special years like Festival of Britain. e.g. randomly picked 1955 and here's early August: Tuesday 2nd August 1955 Dundee trial (at Claypots) Raith Reds 6-2 Blues Friday 5th August 1955 Aberdeen trial Dundee trial (at Dens Park) Montrose trial Saturday 6th August 1955 (Allison Trophy at Easter Road) Edinburgh Select 1-1 Newcastle United (Rangers Sports & 5-asides at Ibrox) Airdrie Diamonds 1-2 Maroons Arbroath trial Dunfermline Blues 4-0 Whites East Fife Whites 2-0 Black & Gold Falkirk Blues 3-2 Whites Kilmarnock Blues 2-1 Stripes Queen of the South Blues 3-2 Whites Raith Blues 2-2 Reds St Johnstone trial St Mirren Black & White 1-0 Reds Stenhousemuir Maroons 1-1 Stripes Stirling A Team 4-2 B Team Monday 6th August 1955 East Stirlingshire trial Morton trial Partick trial Rangers trial Third Lanark trial Tuesday 7th August 1955 Queen's Park trial Phenomenon lingered much longer in the juniors - IIRC it was only around a decade ago they were allowed to play friendlies before the 3rd Saturday in July, when it was moved to 1st Saturday, then almost immediately to start of July. EDIT: certainly in 2015 the North Region juniors voted to move the cutoff forward 2 weeks to 1st Saturday in July - but East and West regions voted against Edited May 9 by HibeeJibee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 13 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Scottish clubs were banned from playing preseason friendlies until 1965 and not at home until 1966... in England the ban had lifted in 1961. SFA/SFL competitive season ran from 2nd Saturday in August to end of April. You'll find most clubs would play a couple of internal public practice matches in early August like 'Probables v Possibles' or 'Whites v Blacks' (although I think they had to let people in free or donate the gate?). However you could get around it by playing in a competitive tournament or a charity competition. SFA would almost grant special permission for tours and special years e.g. Festival of Britain. Phenomenon lingered much longer in the juniors - IIRC it was only around a decade ago they were allowed to play friendlies before the 3rd Saturday in July, when it was moved to 1st Saturday, then almost immediately to start of July. I remember the permission for friendlies in the juniors but never heard of it for the seniors, I just don't get where on earth there would be motivation to stop these in either grade. The game was largely built on friendlies at its origin afterall and they still made up a huge amount of the calendar until league football took off. Did at some point leagues become scared that clubs would lean toward friendlies and that would possibly affect their scheduling? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 17 minutes ago, parsforlife said: I remember the permission for friendlies in the juniors but never heard of it for the seniors, I just don't get where on earth there would be motivation to stop these in either grade. The game was largely built on friendlies at its origin afterall and they still made up a huge amount of the calendar until league football took off. Did at some point leagues become scared that clubs would lean toward friendlies and that would possibly affect their scheduling? They were different people in a different era. It was clearly just frowned upon to play friendlies before the 'real stuff' began. These seem to be your only preseason games held in Britain during 1950s & 1960s: 1951 Dunfermline 4-5 Albion Rovers St Mungo Quaich (for Festival of Britain) 1963 Hearts 7-0 Dunfermline Allison Trophy ban lifted 1966 Dunfermline 0-0 Arsenal 1967 Dunfermline 0-0 Borussia Dortmund 1969 Aston Villa 3-2 Dunfermline + Blackpool 2-1 Dunfermline Edited May 9 by HibeeJibee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 On 06/05/2024 at 12:13, HibeeJibee said: So a motley mix: many went onto international honours, some did not... That's a pretty good hit rate I'd say. Of the 16 players who took to the field, I make it that 11 played for Scotland and Reynolds and Turner were both in several squads but never played. That only leaves Arfield (19 caps for Canada), Scott Cuthbert and Jack Ross. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 7 hours ago, Le Tout P'ti FC said: I’ve found the squad here: https://aberdeen-fc.com/aberdeen-fc-tennents-sixes/tennents-sixes.html#gsc.tab=0. Based on which I think the guy in question might be Brian Mitchell? I’m not fully convinced on this, but I’m going by a process of elimination. Simmie, Angus, Stark, Leighton, Grant. McMaster, Porteous, Miller (J), Mitchell. I was at this edition of the Tennents Sixes. My memory of the occasion isn’t vivid alas, although I do remember dropping something (possibly a hat) behind the temporary stand never to be seen again. EDIT - I think the photo might be the 1986 team? McLeish lifted the cup in 1987, I don’t see him in the photo. Strip also looks like the 1986 strip. Stevie Gray was also in the 1986 team, the mystery guy is either Mitchell or Gray (possibly neither!). The guy bottom right is Stevie Gray. Brian Mitchell has the girl sitting on his knee. Stevie Gray died in 2009. I'm not sure of the cause; however, he would occasionally appear in my local back in the 1990s and he got involved in drugs. I think it was acknowledged that he lost his way when Fergie left. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Sensible Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 8 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: They were different people in a different era. It was clearly just frowned upon to play friendlies before the 'real stuff' began. These seem to be your only preseason games held in Britain during 1950s & 1960s: 1951 Dunfermline 4-5 Albion Rovers St Mungo Quaich (for Festival of Britain) 1963 Hearts 7-0 Dunfermline Allison Trophy ban lifted 1966 Dunfermline 0-0 Arsenal 1967 Dunfermline 0-0 Borussia Dortmund 1969 Aston Villa 3-2 Dunfermline + Blackpool 2-1 Dunfermline St Mirren played Blackpool at Love Street in August 1968 & Scunthorpe in Aug 1966 in friendlies 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, Captain_Sensible said: St Mirren played Blackpool at Love Street in August 1968 & Scunthorpe in Aug 1966 in friendlies You travelled to Darlington in August 1965 when home friendlies were still debarred (although in your case this was as usual got around with the Paisley Charity Cup). It looks very much like it may have been the chance to meet English clubs which clubs were looking to seize in lifting the ban... there were about 20 cross-border friendlies in early August 1966, which was just after the World Cup in England had finished. Of course by 1970 you then had the Drybrough Cup being played in the fortnight before the regular season began, plus the Texaco Cup started which pitted Scottish & English clubs against each other competitively during the course of the season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tamthebam Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 7 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said: The guy bottom right is Stevie Gray. Brian Mitchell has the girl sitting on his knee. Stevie Gray died in 2009. I'm not sure of the cause; however, he would occasionally appear in my local back in the 1990s and he got involved in drugs. I think it was acknowledged that he lost his way when Fergie left. I remember seeing Stevie Gray playing for Airdrie and he looked like a decent player. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 On this day in 1967 less than a month after beating England 3-2 at Wembley Tommy Gemmell scored a cracking goal. Only problem was it was the first goal for the USSR 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HibeeJibee Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, Eednud said: On this day in 1967 less than a month after beating England 3-2 at Wembley Tommy Gemmell scored a cracking goal. Only problem was it was the first goal for the USSR Been mentioned before but of course not only had we just become 'unofficial world champions' by beating England and winning Home Championship; but Soviet Union were Euros runners-up and WC semi-finalists. Club game also in rude health as Celtic + Rangers had European finals and Kilmarnock a semi later in month. Many would argue spring 1967 was the highest watermark of Scottish football. Naturally then the Tartan Army booed Scotland off the park . Edited May 10 by HibeeJibee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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