dorlomin Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Tory policy has probably Quote The technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue. https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/whataboutery 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Michael Gove's opposition to the Belfast Agreement seems to be getting a free ride if we're going back to the history books. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Old Pack said: Commie Corbyn has fucked Labour good and proper. I never knew Jeremy Corbyn was in the IRA. Because Gerry Adams certainly wasn't... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 19 hours ago, oaksoft said: That's the attitude. Any other ridiculous excuses you want to dredge up? That's reality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Fullerene said: The Queen got to meet both Assad and Adams. I guess we need to boot her out. When did the Queen meet Adams? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: When did the Queen meet Adams? Maybe I am wrong but I thought she met him on that occasion when she shook hands with Martin McGuinness. She does seem to mix with some questionable people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Fullerene said: Maybe I am wrong but I thought she met him on that occasion when she shook hands with Martin McGuinness. I think you are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: I think you are. Yeah he was probably off hugging a tree instead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Fullerene said: Maybe I am wrong but I thought she met him on that occasion when she shook hands with Martin McGuinness. She does seem to mix with some questionable people. No that was just Charlie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 34 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: No that was just Charlie. Are there any pictures of Corbyn shaking hands with these shady royals? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: Not a defence of Labour. Correct: your post was not. We are talking about the Labour Party and its current issues on this thread. Or were until some found that uncomfortable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, dorlomin said: Correct: your post was not. We are talking about the Labour Party and its current issues on this thread. Or were until some found that uncomfortable. I’m not sure that dredging up Hansard from 1987 is addressing current issues tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Commie Corbyn has fucked Labour good and proper.Not my words but from a FB post: "One of the most commonly occurring personal attack points that right-wingers use against Jeremy Corbyn is that he openly talked to the IRA in the 1980s and '90s. The problem with this right-wing narrative (like with so many other right-wing narratives) is that it's totally undermined by facts and reality. These people know that Corbyn talked to the IRA because he did it openly, but at the very same time Corbyn was openly talking to the IRA the political establishment were conducting secret backdoor deals with them. In 1972 the Tory government of Edward Heath conducted secret negotiations with the IRA. The truth was only revealed in 2003. Margaret Thatcher always used to insist that she did not negotiate with terrorists, but in 2011 declassified documents revealed that that's exactly what she did. She negotiated with the IRA in 1981 during the hunger strikes, and the documents detailing the negotiating position of the UK government even featured annotations in her handwriting! Thatcher also gave her personal approval to secret talks with the IRA in 1990 too. So much for her not negotiating with terrorists rhetoric eh? In 1993 the revelation that John Major's government had been conducting secret talks with the IRA created a huge political scandal, with several Tory MPs (who were clearly unaware of Thatcher's secret talks with the IRA) reacting with horror at the revelation that the not negotiating with terrorists line was a total lie. In 2008 it was revealed that the UK government maintained a secret back channel to talk with the IRA for two decades all the way from 1973 and 1993. From 1997 onward Tony Blair's government conducted negotiations with the IRA that eventually led to the Good Friday Agreement, the power-sharing deal and the successful deescalation of the troubles. During this process Tony Blair had secret talks with the IRA in 1999.In 2010 an Tory peer called David James openly admitted that he had a history of secretly laundering money for the IRA. He still sits in the unelected House of Lords as a Tory peer! It's astoundingly hypocritical for right-wingers to slam Corbyn for having openly talked to the IRA when the political establishment they're defending were doing the same thing in but in secret for decades. But then hypocrisy (which stems from fact-aversion and immunity to cognitive dissonance) is an extremely common trait amongst right-wingers, and especially extreme right-wingers isn't it? 10 important facts the media are not telling you about Jeremy Corbyn 1 Corbyn condemned the IRA Violence ( 29 Nov 1994 EDM 28 )2 Corbyn met Loyalist Leaders ( e.g. David Ervine five times in 1994 )3 Ian Paisley praised Corbyn for his character ( see Belfast Telegraph 10 Oct. 2015 )4 The Times apologised for smearing Corbyn on the IRA ( the Times 12 Feb. 1987 )5 Corbyn phoned the police to warn of PIRA Operative ( The Times 12 Feb. 1987 )6 The Irish Times praised Corbyn for his Irish Campaigning ( Irish Times 11 Aug. 1988 )7 Corbyn only met Gerry Adams after Adams became an Elected MP in 1983 8 Corbyn campaigned on Guildford Four & Bloody SundayCases9 Corbyn met Adams at Westminster in 1996 months before permanent ceasefire 10 Bill Clinton had invited Adams to the White House in 1995 He wasn’t included when the glory seekers came out after the ceasefire. Jeremy Corbyn has always said if you don’t talk you don’t make progress towards peace." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Just now, The OP said: is addressing current issues tbh. You are saying that the current Labour leaders relationship with terrorist organisations is not a current issue for voters. Cool, we shall meet on Downing St on the 13th to celebrate a new Labour majority government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dorlomin said: You are saying that the current Labour leaders relationship with terrorist organisations is not a current issue for voters. Cool, we shall meet on Downing St on the 13th to celebrate a new Labour majority government. Not particularly, his unwillingness to commit to bombing North Korea into oblivion was more of an issue last time round as I recall. He was doing well until that point, despite the obvious smears. Edited November 12, 2019 by The OP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Not my words but from a FB post: I spent a lot of time reading and trying to make a post that I could stand behind. How can you compete with googling up a facebook quote you think says things you like but have no idea how true they are? You will simply get swamped with googled cut and pastes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 This was the precise moment when you knew Britain deserves the Tories. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, The OP said: as I recall Again how do you compete with this level of made up shit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Just now, dorlomin said: Again how do you compete with this level of made up shit. By acting weary and self-superior rather than making a point relevant to the last 20 years of British politics, obviously. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 minute ago, The OP said: a point relevant to the last 20 years We are headed for a Tory government. And all losers like you (who will most likely not vote Labour) can do is deflect from the issues that hamper people trusting Labour. Lets see how your "20 year rule" applies if a 21 year old scandal that affects Johnson emerges. A river in Egypt, denial. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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