What is the point of Labour ?

[Baxter Parp]

You have virtually cut and pasted tropes from the Elders of the Protocols of Zion . 

It's Protocols of the Elders of Zion and it was published in 1903 40-odd years before Israel existed. The trope is that Jews are loyal to their faith over their home country not that they are loyal to a country that didn't exist.

[welshbairn]

The entire Israeli embassy staff should be sacked if they're not actively involved in issuing talking points to the likes of Jewish Labour Movement and Labour Friends of Israel. Last thing Israel want in Britain is a PM with sympathy for Palestinians.

[BawWatchin]

2 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

The entire Israeli embassy staff should be sacked if they're not actively involved in issuing talking points to the likes of Jewish Labour Movement and Labour Friends of Israel. Last thing Israel want in Britain is a PM with sympathy for Palestinians.

It's not just that. I wouldn't be surprised if there are Israeli business dealers involved in the US NHS take over plan. They need a tory government to ensure they can get their slice.

[welshbairn]

5 minutes ago, BawWatchin said:

It's not just that. I wouldn't be surprised if there are Israeli business dealers involved in the US NHS take over plan. They need a tory government to ensure they can get their slice.

Now you're definitely getting into antisemitic tropes. Why Israeli and not Swiss? 

P.S. Where did you get that meme from? Looks dodgy.

Edited November 7, 2019 by welshbairn

[BawWatchin]

3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Now you're definitely getting into antisemitic tropes. Why Israeli and not Swiss? 

Because everybody knows the swiss are more interested in cheese, m8.

[Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier]

11 minutes ago, BawWatchin said:

Because everybody knows the swiss are more interested in cheese, m8.

And Nazi gold.

[BawWatchin]

21 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

P.S. Where did you get that meme from? Looks dodgy.

Can't remember the name of the page. It had some German title.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Williamson's resignation letter was quite the thing.

[Cerberus]

They need to get rid of Corbyn.

It takes a lot to be more unpopular than Boris but he manages it.

[Detournement]

1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

Now you're definitely getting into antisemitic tropes. Why Israeli and not Swiss? 

P.S. Where did you get that meme from? Looks dodgy.

That was my reaction as well but it's all on They Work For You

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=11553

He has also taken money from the UAE and went on an HSBC funded jolly to China.

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

12 hours ago, Cerberus said:

They need to get rid of Corbyn.

It takes a lot to be more unpopular than Boris but he manages it.

This.

Astonishingly, Labour supporters  seem uniquely unable to realise this.

[ICTJohnboy]

3 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

This.

Astonishingly, Labour supporters  seem uniquely unable to realise this.

 

I wouldn't describe him as unpopular, but he is seriously lacking in any kind of meaningful leadership skills.

[Granny Danger]

13 hours ago, Cerberus said:

They need to get rid of Corbyn.

It takes a lot to be more unpopular than Boris but he manages it.

 

1 hour ago, Bob Mahelp said:

This.

Astonishingly, Labour supporters  seem uniquely unable to realise this.

The Tories and their rich and powerful friends who control much of the MSM must smile when they read this sort of shit.

They would be quite content with another centre-right Labour leader occupying No 10 for a time but are shit scared of a radical government who might actually make some serious changes.

[welshbairn]

15 hours ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

Williamson's resignation letter was quite the thing.

He's being hammered for this bit, supposedly an antisemitic trope. 

All quite true though. This is from their "objects" and "values" on their website.

Quote

To maintain and promote Labour or Socialist Zionism as the movement for self-determination of the Jewish people within the state of Israel.

To promote the centrality of Israel in Jewish life and its development on the basis of freedom, social justice and equality for all its citizens.

https://www.jewishlabour.uk/full_membership

And here's some background, clearly not a neutral source, but accurate I think.

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/jewish-labour-movement-was-refounded-fight-corbyn

[Granny Danger]

This is from the Independent website.  Cannot find the quote/article itself  but shocking if true.

It comes as veteran Labour candidate Dame Margaret Hodgehas declined to say whether she would prefer Jeremy Corbyn or Mr Johnson as PM, 

 

ETA. Apparently from NNC Radio 4 today programme:  Dame Margaret, asked if she would prefer Mr Johnson or Mr Corbyn as prime minister, said: “I want a Labour government.”

Pressed on the issue, she told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “I think any government is more than any individual. And I want a Labour government.

Edited November 8, 2019 by Granny Danger

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

7 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

 

The Tories and their rich and powerful friends who control much of the MSM must smile when they read this sort of shit.

They would be quite content with another centre-right Labour leader occupying No 10 for a time but are shit scared of a radical government who might actually make some serious changes.

That's the point though. It's not just the MSM who are 'shit scared of a radical Labour government'.....it's voters.

The last 'radical Labour government' was probably just after the 2nd world war. There is not, and almost without exception never has been, majority support in the UK for a radical left-wing government. 

Given the horrendous direction we're heading under the Tories, the last thing the UK needed was a weak and feeble opposition led by a socialist college lecturer.  If Labour are serious about forming a government.....and I'm beginning to believe that they don't care all that much about that.....then they'll have to become a bit less 'radical' and more centrist I'm afraid. 

That's the long and short of it. And I ask again....what do Labour supporters actually want, a party that sticks to a left-wing ideology and is in permanent opposition, or do they actually want a Labour PM and government ?

 

[Granny Danger]

6 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

That's the point though. It's not just the MSM who are 'shit scared of a radical Labour government'.....it's voters.

The last 'radical Labour government' was probably just after the 2nd world war. There is not, and almost without exception never has been, majority support in the UK for a radical left-wing government. 

Given the horrendous direction we're heading under the Tories, the last thing the UK needed was a weak and feeble opposition led by a socialist college lecturer.  If Labour are serious about forming a government.....and I'm beginning to believe that they don't care all that much about that.....then they'll have to become a bit less 'radical' and more centrist I'm afraid. 

That's the long and short of it. And I ask again....what do Labour supporters actually want, a party that sticks to a left-wing ideology and is in permanent opposition, or do they actually want a Labour PM and government ?

 

It’s not up to Labour Party “supporters”, it’s up to Labour Party members.  I think their position is pretty clear and, IMO, totally legitimate.

I have concerns about what’s going to happen at this election but I take some comfort from 2017 when Labour under Corbyn, despite absolute vilification in the MSM and attacks from within his own ranks, gained seats and removed the Tory majority.

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

The Tories and their rich and powerful friends who control much of the MSM must smile when they read this sort of shit.
They would be quite content with another centre-right Labour leader occupying No 10 for a time but are shit scared of a radical government who might actually make some serious changes.

Even you have doubted his leadership Granny.

Corbyn fans can blame the media but he has been his own worst enemy sometimes.

[Granny Danger]

11 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Even you have doubted his leadership Granny.

Corbyn fans can blame the media but he has been his own worst enemy sometimes.

I have issues with Corbyn because of certain qualities that he sadly lacks; many people use that as an excuse when it’s really the policies that they disagree with.

I’d prefer a more capable leader who supports broadly the same policies.

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

49 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

 

I have concerns about what’s going to happen at this election but I take some comfort from 2017 when Labour under Corbyn, despite absolute vilification in the MSM and attacks from within his own ranks, gained seats and removed the Tory majority.

 

Different times. 

There was a Corbyn bounce, as he was a relatively new and different kind of leader. Add to that the fact that May was a pitifully hopeless campaigner, and a voting public that were not yet utterly scunnered with Brexit, and you had the reasons for Labour's 'success' (they still didn't win the election by the way).

Fast forward 30 months and you have a populist in charge of the Tories that is energising a Tory vote that cares nothing for the fact that he's a lying khunt.  Corbyn has been exposed as a bumbling incompetent that is only popular with the fringes, and you have UK electorate that is sick to the back teeth of Brexit and simply wants it out of the way.

I desperately hope it isn't true, but I suspect strongly that we have a perfect storm here that is going to deliver a Tory majority. And if it does, I hope to f**k that we never, ever see the useless fuckwit that is Corbyn again. 

Because he will be a huge factor in enabling a far-right government to take control.