Marten Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 22 minutes ago, Golum said: At the start of season bottom = 16th Selkirk should still have been deemed bottom I fail to see the problem with this The lowland league voted on this and agreed , so why the SFA refused this is strange They refused this because the rules were changed during the season which the SFA deemed too late. I can't see any issue with changing the rule for future seasons though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golum Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Marten said: They refused this because the rules were changed during the season which the SFA deemed too late. I can't see any issue with changing the rule for future seasons though. Could you advise what rules were changed ? At the start of season bottom = 16th 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreamer Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Golum said: Could you advise what rules were changed ? At the start of season bottom = 16th The board had made the ruling after Selkirk folded and it took til after the turn of the year for someone to challenge it and a vote at a meeting. If it was a major issue it should have been voted on at the time? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedirules Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 On 3/30/2019 at 23:00, magoo said: Only seen the 2nd half today, the overwhelming weekness imo with Whitehill had the lack of any players with physical strength, I've no doubt that many of these young players will prob look ok in a two touch training session or 5 a side game but as a team there are virtually no players who can look after the ball and mix it when required,that's 3 managers in 2 years that have not addressed the problem and as much as east Stirling dropped off the pace in the 2nd half I'm struggling to think of a shot on target in the 2nd half, massive pre season for management and commitee coming up.... SPOT ON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, pipedreamer said: The board had made the ruling after Selkirk folded and it took til after the turn of the year for someone to challenge it and a vote at a meeting. If it was a major issue it should have been voted on at the time? Are you saying a team folding is not a major issue then ? Any team folding in any league is a major issue. Surely the leagues committee should've had an EGM at the time then or has it been a case of making up the rules as we move along ? Anyway it's done and dusted now top and bottom of it is it will go down as the worst season (wi last season a close 2nd) in the history of wwfc though to be fair the LL this season is probably the most difficult league ww have ever had to encounter ? It'll be in the lap of the gods now regarding re-applying though hasn't it happened before in the SPFL when teams have been reprieved after others have had the misfortune of folding ? In its wee short years since it's birth the LL has certainly seen big changes wi rules and regulations. Whatever happens be it the LL or ww things can only get better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, newcastle broon said: Are you saying a team folding is not a major issue then ? Any team folding in any league is a major issue. Surely the leagues committee should've had an EGM at the time then or has it been a case of making up the rules as we move along ? Anyway it's done and dusted now top and bottom of it is it will go down as the worst season (wi last season a close 2nd) in the history of wwfc though to be fair the LL this season is probably the most difficult league ww have ever had to encounter ? It'll be in the lap of the gods now regarding re-applying though hasn't it happened before in the SPFL when teams have been reprieved after others have had the misfortune of folding ? In its wee short years since it's birth the LL has certainly seen big changes wi rules and regulations. Whatever happens be it the LL or ww things can only get better. When Rangers were liquidated, Dundee were promoted to the SPL instead of reprieving Dunfermline. The open spots in the First & Second divisions were taken by the losers of the play-off finals, resulting in promotions for Airdrie & Stranraer. Livingston's demotion in 2009 again meant losing play-off finalists took the spots, resulting in a reprieve for Airdrie & promotion for Cowdenbeath. Gretna's liquidation in 2008 was the same, resulting in promotion for Airdrie & Stranraer. Airdrie's liquidation in 2002 was before the PO existed, instead Falkirk & Stenhousemuir were reprieved. Obviously the situations are different, especially with the existence of play-offs. But when ignoring the PO (which was an easy solution really), 2 different methods have been used: extra promotion when Rangers were liquidated and clubs reprieved in Airdrie's case. So there isn't really a clear precedent to apply to the LL this season. I agree that it would be fair to regard Selkirk as the bottom club, but that can't be done as it's not in the rules. I would assume that this is a point to be discussed at the AGM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 43 minutes ago, newcastle broon said: Are you saying a team folding is not a major issue then ? Any team folding in any league is a major issue. Surely the leagues committee should've had an EGM at the time then or has it been a case of making up the rules as we move along ? Anyway it's done and dusted now top and bottom of it is it will go down as the worst season (wi last season a close 2nd) in the history of wwfc though to be fair the LL this season is probably the most difficult league ww have ever had to encounter ? It'll be in the lap of the gods now regarding re-applying though hasn't it happened before in the SPFL when teams have been reprieved after others have had the misfortune of folding ? In its wee short years since it's birth the LL has certainly seen big changes wi rules and regulations. Whatever happens be it the LL or ww things can only get better. They probably should have had a meeting of some sorts to clarify the position once Selkirk went out of the box. As others have said the wording should be amended from club 16 to bottom place side. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, Marten said: When Rangers were liquidated, Dundee were promoted to the SPL instead of reprieving Dunfermline. The open spots in the First & Second divisions were taken by the losers of the play-off finals, resulting in promotions for Airdrie & Stranraer. Livingston's demotion in 2009 again meant losing play-off finalists took the spots, resulting in a reprieve for Airdrie & promotion for Cowdenbeath. Gretna's liquidation in 2008 was the same, resulting in promotion for Airdrie & Stranraer. Airdrie's liquidation in 2002 was before the PO existed, instead Falkirk & Stenhousemuir were reprieved. Obviously the situations are different, especially with the existence of play-offs. But when ignoring the PO (which was an easy solution really), 2 different methods have been used: extra promotion when Rangers were liquidated and clubs reprieved in Airdrie's case. So there isn't really a clear precedent to apply to the LL this season. I agree that it would be fair to regard Selkirk as the bottom club, but that can't be done as it's not in the rules. I would assume that this is a point to be discussed at the AGM. Meadowbank in the 80s rings a bell as well ? Were they no meant to go up to the Premier League. Weren't the leagues reconstructed mid season back then ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ton Up Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) Surely, if WW were granted a reprieve after LL vote and then the SFA said rules cannot be changed mid season. Then then same must apply for clubs having a license by 31st March to gain promotion? If thats the case. If that were the case then surely WW would have a strong argument to stay in the league? Selkirk going bust was not WW's fault and for all we know clubs like WW, Dalbeattie, Gretna, Uni's, Gala and the Vale could all budget just to avoid 16th place and stay in the league. Potentially, willing to take a risk depending on the results of the League 2 relegation playoff. Vale benefited from this last year. Also, neither is the delay in licensing the fault of the clubs wishing to gain entry into the league? Interesting times ahead Edited April 1, 2019 by Ton Up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golum Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Depends who is making up the rules and who votes on them as said needs clarity sooner rather than later 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magoo Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 On 01/04/2019 at 14:25, newcastle broon said: Meadowbank in the 80s rings a bell as well ? Were they no meant to go up to the Premier League. Weren't the leagues reconstructed mid season back then ? Another defeat,what s fken season (well 2) this has been, a few strong leaders off the pitch and in the pitch is most certainly require pre season, I'm a big advocate for any club to use youth but only if they are capabile there's no way the team can be completely filled with young lads that collectively are not strong enough for the league they are in, On 01/04/2019 at 14:22, cowdenbeath said: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, magoo said: Another defeat,what s fken season (well 2) this has been, a few strong leaders off the pitch and in the pitch is most certainly require pre season, I'm a big advocate for any club to use youth but only if they are capabile there's no way the team can be completely filled with young lads that collectively are not strong enough for the league they are in, Don't think managed a shot at goal today. Wee ootside left looks tricky enough but is built like a stick. Will get kicked up and doon park a lot. Edu Lad took his goal well. Whilst never been one to criticise fans or a fan base I counted 4 o them today. They hoping to get into their new base near Hamilton next season. Badly needed I was told as easier for recruitment from there as Annan miles away from where they want to be. Good luck to them but when you look at potentially the crowds we gonnae get next season I'm slowly bringing myself round to playing EOS fitba next season. Prob a lot more sense financially and ye never know we might just manage to stay up because that league looks harder than the LL P.S can we borrow yer mini bus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magoo Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 1 hour ago, newcastle broon said: Don't think managed a shot at goal today. Wee ootside left looks tricky enough but is built like a stick. Will get kicked up and doon park a lot. Edu Lad took his goal well. Whilst never been one to criticise fans or a fan base I counted 4 o them today. They hoping to get into their new base near Hamilton next season. Badly needed I was told as easier for recruitment from there as Annan miles away from where they want to be. Good luck to them but when you look at potentially the crowds we gonnae get next season I'm slowly bringing myself round to playing EOS fitba next season. Prob a lot more sense financially and ye never know we might just manage to stay up because that league looks harder than the LL P.S can we borrow yer mini bus Mini bus bigger than Whitehills budget 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab B Nesbit Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Have we secured our LL safety with a game to spare I cannae see ? #perform -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magoo Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 On a more positive note can we look forward to being within a more active fans forum section next season.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golum Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I would hope you could look forward to a more competitive team on the pitch as well , especially in the EOS premier which arguably could be a harder league than the LL Would be good to see WW competing again Great set up there 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab B Nesbit Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, Golum said: I would hope you could look forward to a more competitive team on the pitch as well , especially in the EOS premier which arguably could be a harder league than the LL Would be good to see WW competing again Great set up there Everything is in place to make sure it’s a short stay in the Prem ... -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyro Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Doesn’t have to be a short stay, as long as the club continue as a decent EoS team like they’ve always been. Used to love watching WW around 2001-02, although the competition was very much poorer back then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesw Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Rab B Nesbit said: Everything is in place to make sure it’s a short stay in the Prem ... you are better than that who is u20s new manager? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab B Nesbit Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I don’t know that’s the last time I try and talk up a promotion challenge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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