General Election 2019 - AND IT’S LIVE!

[BottiBiabi]

That YouGov poll is horrendous reading. We’re absolutely fucked.

[Pet Jeden]

4 minutes ago, BottiBiabi said:

That YouGov poll is horrendous reading. We’re absolutely fucked.

Looks that way at present. But nothing is set in stone 2 weeks ahead of the poll.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

9 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

Yes. It was an SNP-Lib Dem coalition. What's your point?

Perhaps you could outline what specific actions a group of 12 SNP Councillors could have taken to outvote the 17 number of Lib Dem Councillors. Or in fact how they could even force a vote in the first place. This is of course before we even factor in the 15 Labour Councillors who would have also voted against the SNP group if such a vote had even been possible. 

Or you could simply stop making such a spectacular tit of yourself. 

 

[D Angelo Barksdale]

12 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

Yes. It was an SNP-Lib Dem coalition. What's your point?

The SNP council group opposed the trams. It passed due to the votes of all the other parties. The original council proposal was in 2001 and the initial Holyrood legislation was in 2006.

If you're interested in what is an admittedly boring subject of 'who is to blame for the trams ?' , then check the Indy ref 2 thread where this was discussed a few months back.

[alta-pete]

Tommy Sheppard.

[Pet Jeden]

2 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

The SNP council group opposed the trams. It passed due to the votes of all the other parties. The original council proposal was in 2001 and the initial Holyrood legislation was in 2006.

If you're interested in what is an admittedly boring subject of 'who is to blame for the trams ?' , then check the Indy ref 2 thread where this was discussed a few months back.

Opposed it? From within the ruling coalition that was administering the project and let the contract?  Oh, you mean like the Lib Dems "opposed" the Conservative's austerity measures at Westminster 2010-2015? I certainly remember plenty of blame allocation for the unfolding trams mess. But if  Steve Cardownie and the  SNP had really, really found the project unpalatable they could have resigned from the coalition, couldn't they? 

Still. It's a relief to be pulled up by somebody that knows at least something about which he talking - unlike the Day of the Parps tag-team. Come to think of it, has anybody ever seen those two in the same room together? Hmmm.

[johnnydun]

Does anyone outside Edinburgh care?

[Pet Jeden]

1 minute ago, johnnydun said:

Does anyone outside Edinburgh care?

Fair point. But Day of the Parps seems to.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

12 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

Opposed it? From within the ruling coalition that was administering the project and let the contract?  Oh, you mean like the Lib Dems "opposed" the Conservative's austerity measures at Westminster 2010-2015? I certainly remember plenty of blame allocation for the unfolding trams mess. But if  Steve Cardownie and the  SNP had really, really found the project unpalatable they could have resigned from the coalition, couldn't they? 

Still. It's a relief to be pulled up by somebody that knows at least something about which he talking - unlike the Day of the Parps tag-team. Come to think of it, has anybody ever seen those two in the same room together? Hmmm.

Yes, collapsing an entire administration over a single issue would be such a good idea. You also failed to explain how 12 SNP Councillors could outvote at least 32 other Councillor. Is 12 a bigger number than 32 in your head? 

Why would any posters on this sub-forum see two other posters "in the same room together"? That doesn't even make sense tbh.

 

7 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

Fair point. But Day of the Parps seems to.

I've literally never posted on the subject until about an hour ago.

[Baxter Parp]

14 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

Opposed it? From within the ruling coalition that was administering the project and let the contract?  Oh, you mean like the Lib Dems "opposed" the Conservative's austerity measures at Westminster 2010-2015? I certainly remember plenty of blame allocation for the unfolding trams mess. But if  Steve Cardownie and the  SNP had really, really found the project unpalatable they could have resigned from the coalition, couldn't they? 

Still. It's a relief to be pulled up by somebody that knows at least something about which he talking - unlike the Day of the Parps tag-team. Come to think of it, has anybody ever seen those two in the same room together? Hmmm.

Steve Cardownie is the leader of the SNP on the council, also deputy council leader.  The SNP are opposed to trams for Edinburgh. Steve Cardonie suggests that there should be a referendum on the subject.

The Scotsman, June 4, 2007

The SNP have declared that they will continue to oppose both the trams and the rail link. However, opposition parties have all declared their support for the trams, so if the opposition parties unite at next week's vote in the Scottish Parliament they are likely to defeat the SNP and so allow the trams to go ahead.

Edinburgh Evening News, June 20, 2007

MSPs voted in favour of pressing ahead with Edinburgh's trams, voting in favour of the scheme, 81 votes to 47.

Metro, June 28, 2007

The problem with ignorant arseholes is they don't know how ignorant they are.

 

[D Angelo Barksdale]

1 minute ago, Pet Jeden said:

Opposed it? From within the ruling coalition that was administering the project and let the contract?  Oh, you mean like the Lib Dems "opposed" the Conservative's austerity measures at Westminster 2010-2015? I certainly remember plenty of blame allocation for the unfolding trams mess. But if  Steve Cardownie and the  SNP had really, really found the project unpalatable they could have resigned from the coalition, couldn't they? 

Still. It's a relief to be pulled up by somebody that knows at least something about which he talking - unlike the Day of the Parps tag-team. Come to think of it, has anybody ever seen those two in the same room together? Hmmm.

Well, yes.

'The proposal won the backing of all parties except the SNP, who said the controversial scheme remained flawed'

'Councillors overwhelming backed the final business case with only the SNP voting against'

Not much they could do really, they were massively outvoted. The comparison with the coalition government isn't really valid, as it was a minority coalition and councils tend to work differently. I can't answer why they never resigned from the coalition, it was their first time in power, so I would imagine they weren't prepared to give it up after 6 months due to a defeat on an infrastructure project.

 

[Donathan]

Looking at the seat breakdown on the big Yougov poll tonight it has the Tories a % point ahead I believe, so perhaps closer than they think? 

That yougov poll is largely demographic based, but I’ve heard actual canvas returns in the seat aren’t good at all for the Conservatives.

[Pet Jeden]

1 minute ago, Day of the Lords said:

Yes, collapsing an entire administration over a single issue would be such a good idea. You also failed to explain how 12 SNP Councillors could outvote at least 32 other Councillor. Is 12 a bigger number than 32 in your head? 

Why would any posters on this sub-forum see two other posters "in the same room together"? That doesn't even make sense tbh.

 

I've literally never posted on the subject until about an hour ago.

Ssssake. It's a well-known saying when 2 people are doppel-gangers.  But I fear thou dost protest too much, Parps.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Just now, Pet Jeden said:

Ssssake. It's a well-known saying when 2 people are doppel-gangers.  But I fear thou dost protest too much, Parps.

Pleased to see you reduced to this in such a short space of time 

[Pet Jeden]

2 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

Well, yes.

'The proposal won the backing of all parties except the SNP, who said the controversial scheme remained flawed'

'Councillors overwhelming backed the final business case with only the SNP voting against'

Not much they could do really, they were massively outvoted. The comparison with the coalition government isn't really valid, as it was a minority coalition and councils tend to work differently. I can't answer why they never resigned from the coalition, it was their first time in power, so I would imagine they weren't prepared to give it up after 6 months due to a defeat on an infrastructure project.

 

But do you think they were really against it? It was very controversial with the general public so it was convenient to let it happen but avoid the fall-out. Bottom line : they wanted to be in power more than they wanted to stop the trams. And they then continued in power with Labour. And kept the scheme going.

[Pet Jeden]

3 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said:

Pleased to see you reduced to this in such a short space of time 

Reduced to what, Parps? I didn't call you a fucking moron did I?

[Benjamin_Nevis]

2 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

Reduced to what, Parps? I didn't call you a fucking moron did I?

That would be the biggest case of Pot/Kettle/Black in P&B history tbh. 

[Baxter Parp]

But do you think they were really against it? It was very controversial with the general public so it was convenient to let it happen but avoid the fall-out. Bottom line : they wanted to be in power more than they wanted to stop the trams. And they then continued in power with Labour. And kept the scheme going.

Bottom line, this post is the most desperate straw grasping in the face of incontrovertible facts ever posted here. What a fucking moron.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

12 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

But do you think they were really against it? It was very controversial with the general public so it was convenient to let it happen but avoid the fall-out. Bottom line : they wanted to be in power more than they wanted to stop the trams. And they then continued in power with Labour. And kept the scheme going.

IMO the SNP at both local and national level tend to be generally supportive of most infrastructure developments like the tram. They clearly had some issues with it though, describing it as 'flawed'. Which it was.

IIRC a lot of the controversy was with the proposed congestion charges, which were soundly defeated in a referendum. It meant the project got off to a terrible start. As for letting it happen, once again, they were massively outvoted and whilst there may be an element of truth in that they wanted to remain in power, there was literally nothing they could do to 'stop the trams' at that stage.

[Pet Jeden]

6 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

13 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:

But do you think they were really against it? It was very controversial with the general public so it was convenient to let it happen but avoid the fall-out. Bottom line : they wanted to be in power more than they wanted to stop the trams. And they then continued in power with Labour. And kept the scheme going.

Bottom line, this post is the most desperate straw grasping in the face of incontrovertible facts ever posted here. What a fucking moron.

The only fact you have to get your pretty little head around is - an SNP coalition delivered the trams. Can't wash their hands of it.

Good night, Day of the Parps.

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