jamamafegan Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 ....on this election, I think the SNP have fucked it by putting Independence on an equal footing with anti-Brexit/Tory messaging. They've unnecessarily split the main arguments into four. Let's be honest, folk who are primarily motivated by Independence in any type of election were always going to vote SNP. I know there is an impatient zoomer element that the party apparently need to keep onside but they would've fallen in line on the day. The message is strong when it comes to pitching the party as essentially a better, more effective version of Labour. They could have swept up the centre-left, pro-Europe majority in Scotland without practically begging Unionists to vote Tory. They made an arse of the last General Election too, albeit they were at least caught surprised by that happening. If Thursday doesn't go well, whoever deals with election strategy at SNP HQ needs punted.I disagree. I think it was good they’ve put independence at the forefront of the campaign. They aren’t hiding the agenda, they’ve put it right out there - baws oot. I know of one person who isn’t an independence supporter (yet) but is voting SNP. At the end of the day, these people can vote no again if they like. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 20 minutes ago, Comrie said: Just found out a school mate is running as a Tory candidate this year. Confused more than anything else. Surely not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Alan Stubbs said: ....on this election, I think the SNP have fucked it by putting Independence on an equal footing with anti-Brexit/Tory messaging. They've unnecessarily split the main arguments into four. Let's be honest, folk who are primarily motivated by Independence in any type of election were always going to vote SNP. I know there is an impatient zoomer element that the party apparently need to keep onside but they would've fallen in line on the day. The message is strong when it comes to pitching the party as essentially a better, more effective version of Labour. They could have swept up the centre-left, pro-Europe majority in Scotland without practically begging Unionists to vote Tory. They made an arse of the last General Election too, albeit they were at least caught surprised by that happening. If Thursday doesn't go well, whoever deals with election strategy at SNP HQ needs punted. Disagree. They made an arse of it in 2017, because they didn't put independence at the forefront of their campaign. In fact, they barely mentioned it at all and took a bit of a kicking from the "naw tae independence" brigade. They just didn't do enough to motivate a high turnout. I reckon they'll get a better turnout this time. Not as high as I would like. But it'll still be an improvement on 2017. That I have no doubt. Edited December 9, 2019 by BawWatchin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Its all ive talked about and been asked about on the doors is indy Apart from the odd "no surrender"type Disagree. They made an arse of it in 2017, because they didn't put independence at the forefront of their campaign. In fact, they barely mentioned it at all and took a bit of a kicking from the "naw tae independence" brigade. They just didn't do enough to motivate a high turnout. I reckon they'll get a better turnout this time. Not as high as I would like. But it'll still be an improvement on 2017. That I have no doubt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastermind Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Yet, everytime he fucks up, his party polls up another % point. The worlds fucked.A wee bit dramatic. Yes at this particular moment in time the leaders of our two biggest political parties are useless, however that will probably change with the next set of leaders and once Brexit is done and dusted and normality resumes. Calm down. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Mastermind said: A wee bit dramatic. Yes at this particular moment in time the leaders of our two biggest political parties are useless, however that will probably change with the next set of leaders and once Brexit is done and dusted and normality resumes. Calm down. Yeah, the next set of tory shitebags in line really fill me with confidence.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Prime Minister Raab followed by Prime Minister Patel will be a right old laugh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Operation distract from Johnson stealing a journalist's phone accomplished. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, jamamafegan said: I disagree. I think it was good they’ve put independence at the forefront of the campaign. They aren’t hiding the agenda, they’ve put it right out there - baws oot. I know of one person who isn’t an independence supporter (yet) but is voting SNP. At the end of the day, these people can vote no again if they like. I assume your No voting friend isn’t voting SNP this time because of their pro-Indy messaging. My point is that there are potentially a lot of similar people out there and the circumstances are ripe for the SNP to pick up soft No voters in this election. Im glad your friend can see the bigger picture but in general, I think it is a lot easier to alienate that section of the electorate than traditional SNP voters. 7 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Disagree. They made an arse of it in 2017, because they didn't put independence at the forefront of their campaign. In fact, they barely mentioned it at all and took a bit of a kicking from the "naw tae independence" brigade. They just didn't do enough to motivate a high turnout. I reckon they'll get a better turnout this time. Not as high as I would like. But it'll still be an improvement on 2017. That I have no doubt. They might not have focused on it but the election coming straight after Sturgeon’s move towards a second referendum undoubtedly hurt the SNP that time. I give them some leeway for getting caught cold in that election. I sincerely hope that I end up looking like an idiot on Friday but my feeling is this might end up being a missed opportunity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Two sides trying desperately to manufacture a big "gotcha" moment in the last days of the campaign. OMG he did not look at a photo. OMG we got punched. Thats the sum of their start of the final few days. Even though the North East of England is vulnerable, Labour have kept their front bench away from seats up there as they are so widely disliked they are relying on local MPs. Lots of people in London saying no sign of the party leader on leaflets down here . Other than the Tories laser like focus on Brexit, that has fed of off the widespread anti establishment mood outside the big cities, both parties have been light weight and trivial through the campaign. When the referendum on Brexit was held more than half of the EU countries had parties promising to leave, now its something like two that have parties with any real electoral presence making those promises. Even FN in France are promising to reform the EU. We have been such a clusterfuck that even after the migration crisis a couple of years ago, the far right across Europe are not trying to get out the EU anymore. And yet here we are on the eve of voting to get out the EU and offers are between "get Brexit done" without looking at the consequences vs the vague mish mash from Labour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Richard Tice's chances in Hartlepool have probably gone up a notch with his campaign manager being shown up as an old style racist and a local Brexit councillor out leafleting whilst trying to flog the undercover C4 News guy cocaine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Boris Johnson is an absolute cnut. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Pick me!!!!You are not on ignore - unlike the mouth breathers you do occasionally post something that is coherent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrie Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 57 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: What kind of fucking school did you go to? Obviously a hive of Tory villainy, Dingwall Academy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Usually find Sky News coverage of most things is okay and not quite as bad as the BBC's biased shit. However if I see their piece on Barra and Stornoway (which is apparently the Harris Tweed capital of the world) one more time I swear I will lose control. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Usually find Sky News coverage of most things is okay and not quite as bad as the BBC's biased shit. However if I see their piece on Barra and Stornoway (which is apparently the Harris Tweed capital of the world) one more time I swear I will lose control. Sky News is even worse when it comes to the SNP. Full blown Fox News at times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Usually find Sky News coverage of most things is okay and not quite as bad as the BBC's biased shit. However if I see their piece on Barra and Stornoway (which is apparently the Harris Tweed capital of the world) one more time I swear I will lose control. Hahaha, even my mum said that too! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kejan said: Hahaha, even my mum said that too! Obviously a very switched on lady. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 This is my last prediction for Scotland: SNP - 47 seats (13 gains taking seats off both the Tories and Labour, but I do think Stephen Gethins will lose in North East Fife) Conservatives - 5 seats (I think they'll keep Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk, Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale, Banff & Buchan, Moray and West Aberdeenshire & Kincardine. They'll be completely wiped out in the central belt and the biggest surprise scalp for the SNP will be to get Alister Jack out in Dumfries & Galloway. I also have them losing three seats in the North East) Liberal Democrats - 5 seats (On a relatively decent night for Willie Rennie's lot, I reckon they gain North East Fife. Unfortunately tactical voting will allow Jo Swinson to cling on by a few hundred votes) Labour - 2 seats (Murray will hold his seat and they'll get Lesley Laird back in by default due to the Neale Hanvey incident) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Capital Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Got the BBC debate on just now. It must be an Tory tactic from upstairs to tell debaters that no-matter what - keep talking. Any retorts - keep talking. Someone else speaks - keep talking. Anyone says the opposite to your view - keep talking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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