Guest Bob Mahelp Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Clearly true and, having spent a lot of time doing business in countries where the rich/poor gap is closer such as Sweden, Finland and Switzerland, the clear answer is that both the UK and the US have a disenfranchised underclass. I'm glad that you brought up these countries. All of them have generally conservative governments that adopt the 'socialist' principle that a society is only as strong as its weakest member. Therefore high taxation goes to improve the lot of the more unfortunate, and through that the standard of living of everyone improves. Why is is so hard for the UK's conservatives to accept that ? I suspect the answer is because they're all khunts, although the slavish determination to follow US Republican values may have just as much to do with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Day of the Lords said: 3 hours ago, beefybake said: You really are a piece of garbage, aren't you. He's either absolute fucking vermin, or on the troll. Either way, he's utterly pathetic. The trolls have a common factor, they never say who they'll vote for, so they never have to defend or argue for anything. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: I'm glad that you brought up these countries. All of them have generally conservative governments that adopt the 'socialist' principle that a society is only as strong as its weakest member. Therefore high taxation goes to improve the lot of the more unfortunate, and through that the standard of living of everyone improves. This is a model that I (almost) wholeheartedly endorse. High economic and intellectual input and high social values? Absolutely. High taxation but a huge input to a whole-country welfare? That works for me and, having spent a lot of time in the counties I've mentioned plus, to add, Germany and The Netherlands, you can see the value of a consensus politics where we work together for the common weel. Not so in the UK. We are being destroyed by factonalistic arseholes and our political landscape is being overrun by secessionist cretins both north and south of the border. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The trolls have a common factor, they never say who they'll vote for, so they never have to defend or argue for anything. I on occasion get into political arguments with a fella from work who hilariously calls me "Nicola" I always assumed he voted Labour but when I dared to suggest that once he bit back "I don't vote Labour". Well I know you don't vote Tory or SNP and you certainly won't vote Green so I'm not left with much. Needless to say he just goes about attacking Nicola and Independence without ever saying anything positive about any party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: This is a model that I (almost) wholeheartedly endorse. High economic and intellectual input and high social values? Absolutely. High taxation but a huge input to a whole-country welfare? That works for me and, having spent a lot of time in the counties I've mentioned plus, to add, Germany and The Netherlands, you can see the value of a consensus politics where we work together for the common weel. Not so in the UK. We are being destroyed by factonalistic arseholes and our political landscape is being overrun by secessionist cretins both north and south of the border. I agree with you completely, aside from your last sentence. I would humbly suggest that the SNP in an independent Scotland would aim to embrace a 'business friendly - socially responsible' Scandinavian model. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: If they CAN be fixed no government of any hue has managed it since people starting living in caves so I'm all ears. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: I agree with you completely, aside from your last sentence. I would humbly suggest that the SNP in an independent Scotland would aim to embrace a 'business friendly - socially responsible' Scandinavian model. Except we've had more than a decade of the SNP and we've seen heehaw of what you've described. You'd have thought that, after so many years in government, we'd have seen a change in the business climate in Scotland compared to England but no. It is just the same. You'd also have thought that, after a decade in charge of education in Scotland we'd have seen an improvement in Scottish schools. Again, no. Jordanhill is the only decent state school in Scotland but, compared to the best state schools in England, isn't worth a curdy. The Natters have had half a Fife generation to improve Scotland but have conspicuously failed. Edited November 10, 2019 by The_Kincardine 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, Gaz FFC said: I on occasion get into political arguments with a fella from work who hilariously calls me "Nicola" I always assumed he voted Labour but when I dared to suggest that once he bit back "I don't vote Labour". Well I know you don't vote Tory or SNP and you certainly won't vote Green so I'm not left with much. Needless to say he just goes about attacking Nicola and Independence without ever saying anything positive about any party. Same as Malky, Oaksoft and Strichner, although it's a bit unfair to link Strichner with the first two, he's more addicted to pedantry fine detail than trolling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 For once in his life Keith Vaz does the decent thing... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50369905 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, oaksoft said: It's of absolutely no relevance whatsoever. My quality of life does not depend on how much the likes of Dncan Bannatyne earns. Yeah it does. If Duncan has all the money, you don't have any. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, oaksoft said: As far as I am aware, there are foodbanks or equivalents in all these countries. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I do know that there are in Stockholm and Lund. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, oaksoft said: Congratulations on the most stupid post this month. If the top fifth of the UK have 40% of the wealth what's to stop them having 90% or more? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Cool! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Congratulations on the most stupid post this month. Would you be able to clarify your qualification for objectivity in this regard? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Cool! Stunned that the boy appears to be a morbidly obese gammon c**t, tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said: Except we've had more than a decade of the SNP and we've seen heehaw of what you've described. You'd have thought that, after so many years in government, we'd have seen a change in the business climate in Scotland compared to England but no. It is just the same. You'd also have thought that, after a decade in charge of education in Scotland we'd have seen an improvement in Scottish schools. Again, no. Jordanhill is the only decent state school in Scotland but, compared to the best state schools in England, isn't worth a curdy. The Natters have had half a Fife generation to improve Scotland but have conspicuously failed. Who exactly is the 'we' to whom you refer ? Does the SNP writ run to Buckinghamshire ? You've departed Scotland and I fail to see how you now have a skin in the game up here, never mind any meaningful day to day experience or knowledge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Who exactly is the 'we' to whom you refer ? Is reading so hard for you? Are you yet another victim of the idiocy of Scottish education? Oh, maybe you're yet another shit for brains Natter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, oaksoft said: So not even the high taxation land of milk and honey of Scandanavia has eradicated foodbank use and yet the genuises on here are lining up to say it can be done simply. Would be nice if just one of them could either point to a government in the UK which had eradicated this type of problem or tell us all which magical button we could press to end it. Sweden takes in about 100,000 refugees annually, the UK takes in about 20,000. I wonder if these facts are connected in some way? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said: Is reading so hard for you? Are you yet another victim of the idiocy of Scottish education? Oh, maybe you're yet another shit for brains Natter I seem to have upset you. But I repeat, who is the 'we' here ? The Scottish electorate will have every chance to pass judgement on the performance of the Scottish Government, but unless you retain a vote in Scotland you don't get that say - there is no 'we'. Clear enough ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Ah right so other countries have foodbanks too, therefore we shouldn't bother taking the lead then in trying to eradicate the need for them here, being a wealthy country and all. K. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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