Jacksgranda Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I think you missed the joke. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 30 minutes ago, Ralstonite said: Commie fags like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Ceausescu, Castro, Kim Jong-il...because those guys have never killed anyone. You're right. The hypothetical views that I was attributing to a made up caricature probably aren't very consistent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: I think you missed the joke. Not really. People genuinely seem to think Communists are benign, hippy pacifists when history shows they're psychopathic, bloodthirsty murderers who make families dig their own graves, wilfully starve people to death and crucify priests. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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coprolite Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ralstonite said: Not really. People genuinely seem to think Communists are benign, hippy pacifists when history shows they're psychopathic, bloodthirsty murderers who make families dig their own graves, wilfully starve people to death and crucify priests. Corbyn crucified a priest 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, Ralstonite said: People genuinely seem to think Communists are benign, hippy pacifists No, they don't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, coprolite said: Corbyn crucified a priest and then made him dig his own grave before starving him to death. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Here's Corbyn and his supporters carrying out their plot to run the country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Wikipedia shows that estimates vary, as you can see below, however Communist regimes probably murdered score of millions of people: Quote According to R. J. Rummel's book Death by Government (1994), about 110 million people, foreign and domestic, were killed by communist democide from 1900 to 1987.[29] In 1993, Rummel wrote: "Even were we to have total access to all communist archives we still would not be able to calculate precisely how many the communists murdered. Consider that even in spite of the archival statistics and detailed reports of survivors, the best experts still disagree by over 40 percent on the total number of Jews killed by the Nazis. We cannot expect near this accuracy for the victims of communism. We can, however, get a probable order of magnitude and a relative approximation of these deaths within a most likely range".[16] Due to additional information about Mao's culpability in the Great Chinese Famine from the work of Jung Chang and Jon Halliday, in late 2005 Rummel revised upward his total for communist democide between 1900 and 1999 to about 148 million, using their estimate of 38 million famine deaths.[30][31] In his introduction to the Black Book of Communism (1999), Stéphane Courtois gave a "rough approximation, based on unofficial estimates" approaching 100 million killed.[r] In his foreword to the book, Martin Malia noted "a grand total of victims variously estimated by contributors to the volume at between 85 million and 100 million". Courtois provided little evidence for that number, and other editors of the same book disputed the number.[32] According to Benjamin Valentino in 2005, the number of non-combatants killed by communist regimes in the Soviet Union, People's Republic of China and Cambodia alone ranged from a low of 21 million to a high of 70 million.[t] Citing Rummel and others, Valentino stated that the "highest end of the plausible range of deaths attributed to communist regimes" was up to 110 million".[t][v] In his book Red Holocaust (2010), Steven Rosefielde said that communism's internal contradictions "caused to be killed" approximately 60 million people and perhaps tens of millions more.[33] In 2011, Matthew White published his rough total of 70 million "people who died under communist regimes from execution, labor camps, famine, ethnic cleansing, and desperate flight in leaky boats", not counting those killed in wars.[w] In 2016, the Dissident blog of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation made an effort to compile updated ranges of estimates and concluded that the overall range "spans from 42,870,000 to 161,990,000" killed, with 100 million the most commonly cited figure.[x] In 2017, Professor Stephen Kotkin wrote in The Wall Street Journal that communism killed at least 65 million people between 1917 and 2017: "Though communism has killed huge numbers of people intentionally, even more of its victims have died from starvation as a result of its cruel projects of social engineering".[y][34] I bet you've never heard of the Holodomor... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 29 minutes ago, Ralstonite said: Not really. People genuinely seem to think Communists are benign, hippy pacifists when history shows they're psychopathic, bloodthirsty murderers who make families dig their own graves, wilfully starve people to death and crucify priests. I think you'll find that there are good communists and bad communists, similar to good capitalists and bad capitalists, it's not their ideology which makes them either "great" or "evil". In fact some of the biggest capitalists today were previously communist (Putin being a prime example) however none of that stuff is really relevant as there's very few people actually care about all this stuff in real life. As has been mentioned many many times before, the three main drivers in human behaviour are power, money and sex, it has always been this way and always will be this way and those at the top will use politics, religion and even nationality in any way necessary to control the ignorant gullible masses in order to fulfil their goals and agendas.............. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 43 minutes ago, Ralstonite said: Not really. People genuinely seem to think Communists are benign, hippy pacifists when history shows they're psychopathic, bloodthirsty murderers who make families dig their own graves, wilfully starve people to death and crucify priests. You learn something new every day. Have you been keeping this to yourself for a while? I am astonished by this revelation, as I'm sure we all are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 On 03/01/2020 at 18:15, NewBornBairn said: Oh this is going to be good. We're going to see just how many Scottish football fans on an obscure message board are experts in Middle Eastern geopolitics and warfare. Have the Jews been blamed yet? I hope you're enjoying this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 The Comrade in Chief taking a leaf out of the Commie in Chief with his promotional material using the Tory powestance pose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 34 minutes ago, WATTOO said: I think you'll find that there are good communists and bad communists, similar to good capitalists and bad capitalists, it's not their ideology which makes them either "great" or "evil". In fact some of the biggest capitalists today were previously communist (Putin being a prime example) however none of that stuff is really relevant as there's very few people actually care about all this stuff in real life. As has been mentioned many many times before, the three main drivers in human behaviour are power, money and sex, it has always been this way and always will be this way and those at the top will use politics, religion and even nationality in any way necessary to control the ignorant gullible masses in order to fulfil their goals and agendas.............. I can't think of any socialist (communist technically being when the utiopian vision has been achieved) countries that I'd like to have lived in. I'd rather live in Florida than Cuba, South Korea than North Korea and West Germany than East Germany... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 57 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: I hope you're enjoying this. Yup 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 38 minutes ago, Ralstonite said: I can't think of any socialist (communist technically being when the utiopian vision has been achieved) countries that I'd like to have lived in. I'd rather live in Florida than Cuba, South Korea than North Korea and West Germany than East Germany... San Marino had the world's first democratically elected communist government between 1945 and 1957. Not heard anyone say anything bad about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fullerene said: San Marino had the world's first democratically elected communist government between 1945 and 1957. Not heard anyone say anything bad about it. Why did it end? Didn't they achieve utopia? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Ralstonite said: I can't think of any socialist (communist technically being when the utiopian vision has been achieved) countries that I'd like to have lived in. I'd rather live in Florida than Cuba, South Korea than North Korea and West Germany than East Germany... I'd quite like to live in a 'socialist' country like Denmark or the Netherlands. And f**k living in Florida. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Laos is class. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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