effeffsee_the2nd Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 25 minutes ago, Tynierose said: I have to admit I'm in complete shock that both here and the US, two countries with rational, erudite leaders, have managed to f**k everything up. Who would have guessed such a thing would happen... The players make up the team, but it's the manager who gets the results 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: Maybe they should try "hope" or "positive thinking" Clapping on a thursday night is the key 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 34 minutes ago, welshbairn said: If you're talking about schools going back you should be using a Scotland graph rather than a UK one as that would be a matter for Nicola Sturgeon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, keithgy said: My sister in laws Uncle passed away this morning from COVID-19,if it possible it hits it home harder I'd prefer it if it affected some of the minority that don't appear to give a f**k, at least that might save the lives of a few that do give a f**k. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Clapping on a thursday night is the key Clapping is a good start but it won't solve the problem by itself. If just a few more people hit pans with spoons then i think we can beat this thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heedthebaa Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Hopefully this c**t now changes his mindset on the NHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 33 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Yeah, it's a huge, horrendously difficult and unprecedented thing to deal with, but it's that for every country and that doesn't excuse fucking up the basic stuff. If our reporting etc was pinpoint accurate, we would still have lots of people dying because of the above, but at least it would be reliable date with which to make decisions, and would be an indicator of the folk running things being on the ball. We were never avoiding having deaths here. That wasnt possible. But everything the govt have had within their control, they have contrived to manipulate more deaths out of. I wonder if anyone will ever attempt to calculate excess deaths based on failure to reach testing targets, failure to supply ppe etc. Think it would make grim reading. Difference in lockdown date will dwarf the rest but as I've posted previously, they couldn't care if the death toll hits 20k,30k,40k so long as the NHS doesn't get swamped a % of said large numbers of NHS staff dying is just viewed as collateral damage I'm afraid, how brave must those poor buggers going over the top in the wars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Just now, heedthebaa said: Hopefully this c**t now changes his mindset on the NHS I won’t hold my breath. Once a #torycunt always a #torycunt. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Just now, ayrmad said: Difference in lockdown date will dwarf the rest but as I've posted previously, they couldn't care if the death toll hits 20k,30k,40k so long as the NHS doesn't get swamped a % of said large numbers of NHS staff dying is just viewed as collateral damage I'm afraid, how brave must those poor buggers going over the top in the wars. I know they dont care about the numbers of dead. In handling a crisis like this, likely no government would be as concerned about how many die as they were about the health services ability to cope. People care though. And at some point, it should be known how many families didnt have to lose someone. Just like the austerity calculations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: likely no government would be as concerned about how many die as they were about the health services ability to cope. lol wot -6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: I know they dont care about the numbers of dead. In handling a crisis like this, likely no government would be as concerned about how many die as they were about the health services ability to cope. People care though. And at some point, it should be known how many families didnt have to lose someone. Just like the austerity calculations. They'll need to factor in how many bawbags would have stuck to the rules this weekend if they'd surged the death figures with non hospital deaths like France managed last week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Don’t want to turn the thread too political, but it really has to be a political issue now because of the absolute mess the government have made of it and how they have now reverted back to blaming not just the poor, but also now doctors and nurses for the lack of PPE. @Moomintroll I’d genuinely like to know your feelings right now on your party. Would you still vote for them in future after this? Sorry for singling you out but you’re only of the only openly Tory posters on here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Surely Covid-19 has exposed the Westminster govt as a complete circus of charlatans, cheats and utter incompetents? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Hopefully this c**t now changes his mindset on the NHS I think the elevated status of the NHS may be one of the biggest positives to come out of this. Along with certain hereto respected brands being turned into absolute poison. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Just now, Honest_Man#1 said: Don’t want to turn the thread too political, but it really has to be a political issue now because of the absolute mess the government have made of it and how they have now reverted back to blaming not just the poor, but also now doctors and nurses for the lack of PPE. @Moomintroll I’d genuinely like to know your feelings right now on your party. Would you still vote for them in future after this? Sorry for singling you out but you’re only of the only openly Tory posters on here. Political? The Tory reaction to this crisis was political from the start. Post-Covid, we need to see: Scottish independence More 'socialism' Boris and pals up on trial for manslaughter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 54 minutes ago, alta-pete said: The free access to FT.com has been a boon for well written thought out pieces. Think I might have to break my duck and actually pay a newspaper subscription once this is all over. 10 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: I know they dont care about the numbers of dead. In handling a crisis like this, likely no government would be as concerned about how many die as they were about the health services ability to cope. People care though. And at some point, it should be known how many families didnt have to lose someone. Just like the austerity calculations. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/e00120a2-74cd-11ea-ad98-044200cb277f Vsl 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Don’t want to turn the thread too political, but it really has to be a political issue now because of the absolute mess the government have made of it and how they have now reverted back to blaming not just the poor, but also now doctors and nurses for the lack of PPE. [mention=72852]Moomintroll[/mention] I’d genuinely like to know your feelings right now on your party. Would you still vote for them in future after this? Sorry for singling you out but you’re only of the only openly Tory posters on here.Its entirely a political issue, the tory uk government and snp scottish government have been a shambles in allocating ppe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said: Don’t want to turn the thread too political, but it really has to be a political issue now because of the absolute mess the government have made of it and how they have now reverted back to blaming not just the poor, but also now doctors and nurses for the lack of PPE. @Moomintroll I’d genuinely like to know your feelings right now on your party. Would you still vote for them in future after this? Sorry for singling you out but you’re only of the only openly Tory posters on here. Pretty sure he said he didn't vote Tory in the last election, Libdem or Labour I think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Its entirely a political issue, the tory uk government and snp scottish government have been a shambles in allocating ppe.I think that’s why people see it as a non political issue. The SNP and the Tories have responded precisely the same way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 53 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: When this first kicked off, I felt a large degree of sympathy for those in charge. The scale, the fact that it's a new virus with characteristics that make it a nightmare to contain and all that. As time goes on though, things that are within government control and are important to the ongoing fight like accurate reporting, testing, ppe etc are being fucked up on a monumental scale. We are definitely approaching the realms now where the Blitz Spirit and All in it together bullshit narrative need to be replaced by repercussions for those in charge. Maybe not constructive during lockdown while death rates remain high, but to have such shitty reporting this far in is criminal. I have a lot of sympathy in the regards that no matter what we do, a lot of people will die and people will not accept being made to stay indoors for ever. The government left it as late as they realistically could before locking down. The data won't immediately be available, but what has the cost of alllowing the likes of Cheltenham to go ahead been in terms of cases and deaths? Even in Scotland you had 11,000 at Lewis Capaldi gig the very weekend the football was cancelled. Decisions such as these and less formal mass gatherings like the pubs have inevitably contributed to the deaths currently being racked up. I suspect that neither the government's senior medical advisors nor the government will really see much in the way of repurcussions, however. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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