Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Jambomo]

2 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

They followed the advice of the Science Advisory Group for Emergencies. The chair of the group, Patrick Vallence, is often in the press conferences. 

Herd immunity is the strategy we use for flu every year. Its also the theory behind MMR vaccines. 

https://www.ovg.ox.ac.uk/news/herd-immunity-how-does-it-work

Its one of the main reasons people are so anti the antivaxxers. Some people cannot get vaccinated so they rely on the rest of us obtaining "herd immunity". 

The research that caused a change of tack was published at the time. 

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

 

Seriously what is the point. People will make up their own stories and believe them. 

As I said in my later post, herd immunity itself is an excellent strategy later on, for illnesses such as flu where we are able to vaccinate and billions of people have immunity already.

i think it would be surprising if they really supported herd immunity in this context, for a new disease, where immunity didn’t (or was not known to be) present at all in the community. It doesn’t make sense to think it sensible when it’s dangerous to a lot of groups,. Hence the change happening.

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, Granny Danger said:

Did not know this; seems at odds with the number of folk who seem to suffer from minor flu-type ailments following flights.

The dry air doesn't help, but it will only from people close by.

[DA Baracus]

39 minutes ago, Jambomo said:

It is, and will be very important, but it can only exist later on - not with a population where there wasn’t immunity already and no vaccine to help bring controlled responses in people.

Also just to say Laura K is an idiot - “Will there be another three weeks”? He’s literally just said that. It’s also pointless asking what’s happening in x weeks - they are responding to the figures so we will be different.
 

 

I read something earlier that puts best estimates of how many folk will now actually have immunity after having it as close to 1M. UK population is about 65M. Folk don't seem to be understanding these sort of numbers in relation to herd immunity.

23 minutes ago, Jambomo said:

So many of the questions just go over the same ground.

It’s fine when trying to get a direct answer on why there wasn’t PPE and he’s evading the question, but in the case of talking about coming out of the lockdown, it’s pretty reasonable to say they are waiting for the data.
 

I don’t doubt that they have been talking about how they might approach it but things might change that approach, I.e if BAME people are now or later shown to be high risk, they may alter the plan. This seems sensible so why keep asking for another answer?

It's because they're asking daft tabloid questions to try and generate a headline. 

6 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

So can the 15,000 per day figure be accurate?  It strikes me as incredibly high, particularly given the restrictions in other countries too.

The vast majority of those 15,000 will be the London airports.

[Granny Danger]

Just now, MixuFixit said:

I'd bet that's fewer than 100 planes which must be a vanishingly small fraction of what it was before. No excuse for not testing & quarantining them mind.

Fewer than 100 full planes yes.  I’m guessing (and it’s no more than a guess) that the capacity on individual flights will be well down at the moment.

I wouldn’t go on a plane at the moment for any reason.  I know some folk MUST but 105,000 a week cannot all be essential travel.

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, MixuFixit said:

I'd bet that's fewer than 100 planes which must be a vanishingly small fraction of what it was before. No excuse for not testing & quarantining them mind.

Bit late for that, other countries will be more worried about people flying from here, if any are still allowing it.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

 
Yes, but when they leave the airport where are they going then?
Why shouldn't they be asked?

I get that so many are desperate to make the police the whipping boys for all this but im pretty sure its the job of immigration enforcement/border agency to ensure that people entering the country have legitimate reasons and do so in a manner thats acceptable to current uk government policy.

[Netan Sansara]

1 hour ago, WATTOO said:

If they were reforming salaries, taxation and the social security systems to match, then I think most would be rather pleased.

Salaries fair point, however I do not believe that most people in the UK would be happy to move to the German system. You pay significantly more tax, social security and you pay health insurance. 
The German system is very good, and the social security benefits are amazing (70% of your last pay as unemployment benefit/long term sickness), however with the UK attitude of “I’m alright Jack”, I don’t think people would be pleased to pay the price. 

[Granny Danger]

Just now, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

I get that so many are desperate to make the police the whipping boys for all this but im pretty sure its the job of immigration enforcement/border agency to ensure that people entering the country have legitimate reasons and do so in a manner thats acceptable to current uk government policy.

Maybe so but it’s impractical.

It’s a nonsense folk are getting inundated with messages on a daily basis about “essential travel” and this is being allowed to happen.

 

 

[yoda]

More than 850 hospital deaths today, and care homes appear to have morphed into waiting rooms for mass graves. But the bottom of the barrel of UK commentators (Dan Hodges, Allison Pearson, etc), plus a handful of P&B's most enlightened posters, reckon we should be lifting restrictions soon and getting everything back to normal.

 

 

[welshbairn]

I'd have thought it's nearly all people trying to get home. Debatable whether that is essential or not, especially at the beginning when people were demanding charter flights to get them home from Wuhan.

[Thereisalight..]

It’s all well and good extending the lockdown, but what’s the point when flights are still arriving in the UK with passengers who aren’t being tested or having to self isolate once they’re here. Seems stupid 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Thereisalight..

[Theroadlesstravelled]

Taiwan showing us how it's done. Tuesday marked a month of no new cases and in total they've had just 393 cases and six people dead.

 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Maybe so but it’s impractical.
It’s a nonsense folk are getting inundated with messages on a daily basis about “essential travel” and this is being allowed to happen.
 
 

No i agree that there should be controls on travel into the country, but im just pointing out to some of the helen lovejoy ‘wont someone blame the polis’ hysteria is misplaced and this is actually nothing to do with them. A police officer has only very limited powers in terms of immigration act stuff.

[Wee Willie]

9 minutes ago, yoda said:

More than 850 hospital deaths today, and care homes appear to have morphed into waiting rooms for mass graves. But the bottom of the barrel of UK commentators (Dan Hodges, Allison Pearson, etc), plus a handful of P&B's most enlightened posters, reckon we should be lifting restrictions soon and getting everything back to normal.

 

I'm in sheltered housing so I presume that is similar.

I’m six years aulder than that self-entitled sod Charlie Windsor. 

In 2008 I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and was given Metformin pills (4 per day).

Subsequently I have to inject myself twice a day (morning & evening) with insulin.

I was also a heavy smoker and I take one Losartan Potassium pill per day for high blood pressure and one Simvastatin pill each day to lower my cholesterol .

I stopped smoking (cold turkey) in 2012 and have never had a cig since.

This morning I got a letter from NHS Tayside detailing what I should do if I catch the virus. They give a list of pills that I should stop. Unfortunately all the ones I take are on the list.  I ken I’m vulnerable to Covid-19 and I’ve been self isolating for the last 3-4 weeks. I bide in sheltered housing which is a big building suitable for supporting 90 folk. Since self isolating I’ve never seen any of my neighbours. My lassie gets my messages and leaves them at my door. But the day has to come when I face the world. Would that be before or after a vaccine is developed?

[D.A.F.C]

Found out today that one of the skeleton staff members at my work, management, has been boozing with pals most nights at his house.

One guy on facebook group philpy’d him and now everyone thinks he’s a dick.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

9 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

Found out today that one of the skeleton staff members at my work, management, has been boozing with pals most nights at his house.

One guy on facebook group philpy’d him and now everyone thinks he’s a dick.

I'd be more concerned with the skeletons walking about.

[ICTJohnboy]

20 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

No i agree that there should be controls on travel into the country, but im just pointing out to some of the helen lovejoy ‘wont someone blame the polis’ hysteria is misplaced and this is actually nothing to do with them. A police officer has only very limited powers in terms of immigration act stuff.

 

Whats to stop them from stopping cars as they leave the airport and asking a question or two?

They seem to have got quite adept at stopping just about anyone else.

 

[jagfox]

34 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Taiwan showing us how it's done. Tuesday marked a month of no new cases and in total they've had just 393 cases and six people dead.

 

They’ve even got live sports back. 

[Todd_is_God]

38 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Taiwan showing us how it's done. Tuesday marked a month of no new cases and in total they've had just 393 cases and six people dead.

 

Their numbers are incredibly good, but they have had 19 new cases so far this month. And 1 death.

 

[welshbairn]

25 minutes ago, Wee Willie said:

But the day has to come when I face the world. Would that be before or after a vaccine is developed?

 

With you there m8, who knows? If you're worried about the note from NHS Tayside I'd ask for a phone appointment with your GP to explain it to you, it was  unnecessarily rude as well as obscure imo.