Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Thereisalight..]

What do we think will be the first things to get eased? Surely allowing people to see family members again? I also hope being allowed to travel outwith your town. Oh and I want the barbers open again asap as my hair is a riot 

[bennett]

Just now, Thereisalight.. said:

What do we think will be the first things to get eased? Surely allowing people to see family members again? I also hope being allowed to travel outwith your town. Oh and I want the barbers open again asap as my hair is a riot 

Allowing hobbies and interests again, obviously done safely and as you say a wee bit of common sense regarding families and travelling. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bairnardo]

Can someone with a grip on the stats tell me why Nicola is talking about going a different way if Westminster act prematurely to lift measures. Arent the stats generally more favourable up here?

[madwullie]

1 minute ago, Bairnardo said:

Can someone with a grip on the stats tell me why Nicola is talking about going a different way if Westminster act prematurely to lift measures. Arent the stats generally more favourable up here?

Imo because the economy/peoples lives balance is seen differently by her than by the tories. As simple as that. The tories will stomach far far more deaths and will ease restrictions before proper containment measures are in place, sturgeon seems to value life higher and would want to have at least some semblance of test-trace-isolate in operation before easing up  

[Billy Jean King]

Some...it would be tens of millions !!!

Well theoretically the shielding requirements would obviously change to align with who is/isnt allowed to work etc.

You might have to face up the realisation that added inconvenience for some might be worth it in terms of the overall impact

[Bairnardo]

1 minute ago, madwullie said:

Imo because the economy/peoples lives balance is seen differently by her than by the tories. As simple as that. The tories will stomach far far more deaths and will ease restrictions before proper containment measures are in place, sturgeon seems to value life higher and would want to have at least some semblance of test-trace-isolate in operation before easing up  

I agree with that. Having said that, it feeds into what I said a few pages back that I think she might be misreading the Scottish people on that one in terms of patience. 

[Bairnardo]

Just now, Billy Jean King said:

Some...it would be tens of millions !!!

It would be less than it is currently. Do you think "fairness" should come into it if theres scientific backing to allow age based loosening? 

[Monkey Tennis]

8 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Except most if not all of us aren't given the luxury of being given airtime on the radio to voice our opinions, where as this a football forum is for anyone or everyone who wishes for their opinions to be read, that is the point of the forum or most forums.

 

Indeed.  And those opinions are less easily understood if expressed with a lack of care.

The point I was making, is that the belief that norms of communication needn't apply in the realm of football, has led to us being offered morons in the media.

Sometimes the knowledge that I'm being a bit of a dick, deters me from continuing.  This is not one such occasion.

[madwullie]

4 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

I agree with that. Having said that, it feeds into what I said a few pages back that I think she might be misreading the Scottish people on that one in terms of patience. 

Any polls I've seen show support for continuing the lockdown is pretty high, across all age groups. Sure, it's stronger as the age increases, but it's still widely supported. 

[Billy Jean King]

FFS Eugenics now, let's just go the whole ethnic cleaning while we are at it eh ? Why don't we just concentrate on getting deaths and infections down to a reasonable rate before we let any one group out of lockdown. It's been 5 weeks with furlough schemes in place for another 9 weeks or so. Let's see where we are then.

I don't recall anyone stating that under 45s should be compelled to go out and work, socialise etc. They should be weighing up the risks of that decision with regards to the rest of their household: as millions are already doing on a daily basis in key worker roles. If there are vulnerable people living in close proximity to them then they should stay at home and claim the already existing support packages to do so.
They should however be granted the option of continuing to work and enjoy public and social amenities if they want to though - given the clearly established facts that the virus poses no serious risk to themselves and the critical bonus that this would stop the economy from completely flatlining for an entire generation.

[Billy Jean King]

I haven't seen any govt scientist saying there is.

It would be less than it is currently. Do you think "fairness" should come into it if theres scientific backing to allow age based loosening? 

[pandarilla]

FFS Eugenics now, let's just go the whole ethnic cleaning while we are at it eh ? Why don't we just concentrate on getting deaths and infections down to a reasonable rate before we let any one group out of lockdown. It's been 5 weeks with furlough schemes in place for another 9 weeks or so. Let's see where we are then.

Because the social and economic damage is going to be too great a risk.

[ayrmad]

53 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Of course it's not a contest.  Who's competing?

It is however, an arena in which we communicate with each other by writing.   Is it too much to ask that people take sufficient care with that to ensure that meaning is immediately clear?

I hate this stuff about "it's a football forum" as if it makes a difference.  It's that kind of thought that means it's somehow acceptable to subject us to media figures like Pat Bonner.  

Being grammatically correct doesn't make it worth reading, this place is full of grammatically correct drivel. 

[madwullie]

When it comes down to it, we're in no shape to ease the lockdown atm. We have no methods available to us (atm) for slowing /containing it beyond locking down again. There will be a second peak, and because we fucked it so badly in Feb and March, our second peak will be particularly nasty in comparison to other countries that locked down earlier and smarter. I think you're underestimating the how much stomach people will have for another serious spike in cases and deaths, and outwith tories, I don't see decent people accepting a shit load of deaths as acceptable collateral damage for the economy

That's before you even consider that people aren't going to want to spend money they don't have on things they don't need in places that aren't safe to be in. 

Edited April 26, 2020 by madwullie

[pandarilla]

When it comes down to it, we're in no shape to ease the lockdown atm. We have no methods available to us (atm) for slowing /containing it beyond locking down again. There will be a second peak, and because we fucked it so badly in Feb and March, our second peak will be particularly nasty in comparison to other countries that locked down earlier and smarter. I think you're underestimating the how much stomach people will have for another serious spike in cases and deaths, and outwith tories, I don't see decent people accepting a shit load of deaths as acceptable collateral damage for the economy
That's before you even consider that people aren't going to want to spend money they don't have on things they don't need in places that aren't safe to be in. 

I agree that we're not ready to ease anything yet, and I'll be amazed if that happens in the next week.

But the economy isn't just the spivs in the city of London. It's folks livelihoods as well, and the effects will be felt for a long time.

[Alan Stubbs]

50 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said:

When the boomers (old folk) die the millennials (offspring/young folk) get the goodies/houses/money.

Not really relevant to my point. A 25 year old now isn't stopped from having financial concerns by standing to inherit a share of a house in 30 years.

[pandarilla]

FFS Eugenics now, let's just go the whole ethnic cleaning while we are at it eh ? Why don't we just concentrate on getting deaths and infections down to a reasonable rate before we let any one group out of lockdown. It's been 5 weeks with furlough schemes in place for another 9 weeks or so. Let's see where we are then.

I'm sorry, but what's eugenics got to do with what he posted?

I think you're getting a bit carried away.

[ICTChris]

Thanks [mention=30062]welshbairn[/mention]. Got the same for Scotland only? The 90’s seem to have a lot to answer for; interesting that there is such a drop. We’ve seen a lot more youngsters (in Scotland) get involved in politics since 2012. Hopefully that trend continues .

 

 

The 1992 election had very high turnout, nearly 80% if I recall correctly. The 97 vote was seen as kind of predictable after that and there was a big drop in turnout for the 2001 and 2005 elections as no-one thought Labour would lose. I think turnout was below 60% for both of those.

 

A U.K. General Election hasn’t had turnovers it higher than 70% since 1997. The only votes in the U.K. since then that have met that have been the referendums in Independence and the EU. ETA The referendum on the good Friday agreement in Northern Ireland as well.

 

A Scottish Parliament vote has never broken 60% turnout.

[madwullie]

2 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

I agree that we're not ready to ease anything yet, and I'll be amazed if that happens in the next week.

But the economy isn't just the spivs in the city of London. It's folks livelihoods as well, and the effects will be felt for a long time.

But are people really going to be packing into shops, theatre, town centres etc when it's clear from the news that its dangerous to do so? It doesn't affect me, but I just can't see people thinking a new telly is worth risking death or serious illness for themselves or a family member. 

Bearing in mind too that shedloads of people have either lost their jobs or are very very skint because of this, meaning they're unlikely to have money to spend on much beyond the essentials 

[Gaz]

1 hour ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said:

When the boomers (old folk) die the millennials (offspring/young folk) get the goodies/houses/money.

Cool, let me just phone my bank and tell them not to worry about my financial situation right now as I might get half a house in 30 years' time.