Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Gaz]

12 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Extremely likely Primary Schools will be first to reopen as the timetable for easing the restrictions are discussed this week. One paper has mentioned 1st June as the day where schools open to non essential staff.

Our council up here in the Highlands have told the Inverness Courier that garden waste will be picked up in June. Don't know if the recycling center is open again, seen photos of centers opening elsewhere.

 

That's down South. I can't see it happening up here. It is impossible to maintain Social Distancing in a school.

I don't think schools will be back until after the summer holidays.

[Gaz FFC]

[Todd_is_God]

13 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Won't affect it but you'll get hammered for tax on the second job.

Actually it will affect it.

If you are earning a wage by working elsewhere, your current employer cannot make use of the job retention scheme. You would lose that income entirely.

If working elsewhere is going to bring in less money than your furlough wage, it is best not to work at all.

You are right about getting a BR tax code on the new job as well, just as you would in any second job.

Edited May 3, 2020 by Todd_is_God

[Granny Danger]

2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Actually it will affect it.

If you are earning a wage by working elsewhere, your employer cannot make use of the job retention scheme. You would lose that income entirely.

If working elsewhere is going to bring in less money than your furlough wage, it is best not to work at all.

You are right about getting a BR tax code on the new job as well, just as you would in any second job.

Maybe not relevant, but if you already have two distinct income sources you can be on furlough from one but still be working and getting paid from the other.

I assume you could then increase your hours/income from the second without it affecting your furloughed income from the first.

[Steven W]

8 minutes ago, Gaz said:

That's down South. I can't see it happening up here. It is impossible to maintain Social Distancing in a school.

I don't think schools will be back until after the summer holidays.

I think you're right. The schools pack up for holiday late June up here so we'll probably just eek it out til they go back in August.

I personally think that if the primary schools are good to go back 1st June in England, then presumably it'd be equally 'safe' to do so up here. The kids are going to have to go back sometime, and a wee three week session prior to the holidays would be great for them. We'd also get the opportunity to see if their return leads to an upturn or not in infection rates while they're off.

But that's just my own opinion

[welshbairn]

7 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

If you are earning a wage by working elsewhere, your current employer cannot make use of the job retention scheme. You would lose that income entirely.

I don't think this is right. There's nothing to stop you taking a weekend bar job when you're working full time elsewhere, this is no different.

[superbigal]

Actually it will affect it. If you are earning a wage by working elsewhere, your current employer cannot make use of the job retention scheme. You would lose that income entirely.

If working elsewhere is going to bring in less money than your furlough wage, it is best not to work at all.

You are right about getting a BR tax code on the new job as well, just as you would in any second job.

 

I suspect rules will be rewritten. I think for instance they will be keen to get furloughed workers picking fruit. As you are still on 80% elsewhere the tenner an hour picking berries will be excellent remuneration. It certainly will be a disgrace if food goes wasted with the amount of people currently not working.

If I was furloughed I would jump at the chance

 

[Aufc]

Actually it will affect it.
If you are earning a wage by working elsewhere, your current employer cannot make use of the job retention scheme. You would lose that income entirely.
If working elsewhere is going to bring in less money than your furlough wage, it is best not to work at all.
You are right about getting a BR tax code on the new job as well, just as you would in any second job.

I dont think that is true? If someone is furloughed then they could get a job in a supermarket for example and their main employer can still claim on the job retention scheme. Unless it has changed

[Honest_Man#1]

49 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

I won’t be using it as -

A - I have no more storage space on my phone for another app

B - The people most at risk from the virus are the elderly, a large percentage of which don’t have mobile phones, which renders the whole thing a bit pointless imo 

For someone who has repeatedly shown to be absolutely desperate to get out of lockdown, this is a fairly strange stance.

[Todd_is_God]

Just now, Aufc said:

I dont think that is true? If someone is furloughed then they could get a job in a supermarket for example and their main employer can still claim on the job retention scheme. Unless it has changed

 

I think you might be right actually. 

I take it back.

[Thereisalight..]

11 minutes ago, superbigal said:

I suspect rules will be rewritten. I think for instance they will be keen to get furloughed workers picking fruit. As you are still on 80% elsewhere the tenner an hour picking berries will be excellent remuneration. It certainly will be a disgrace if food goes wasted with the amount of people currently not working.

If I was furloughed I would jump at the chance

 

I’d love to be picking fruit or potatoes right now. Haven’t seen any Ayrshire jobs advertised for it though 

[Thereisalight..]

8 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

For someone who has repeatedly shown to be absolutely desperate to get out of lockdown, this is a fairly strange stance.

I am desperate to get out of lockdown, I just don’t think a tracking app is the answer to that. It would only work if EVERYONE was using it, and like I said there isn’t so many older folk who don’t use one 

[Thereisalight..]

Hopefully travelling out of town will be the first thing to be reintroduced. I’m really missing going out in the country for walks. Missing going to Glasgow and Edinburgh for a jaunt. 

[welshbairn]

3 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

I am desperate to get out of lockdown, I just don’t think a tracking app is the answer to that. It would only work if EVERYONE was using it, and like I said there isn’t so many older folk who don’t use one 

It will work better the more people use it, but they're not expecting anything like 100% take up. It's a fairly simple app, it's not going to take up much space on your phone.

[peasy23]

The Apps gonna run on bluetooth and not gprs. Many wont have a clue what bluetooth is.
Many clearly dont have.
If your bluetooth is permanently switched on your "device" is already being tracked to an extent.
Bluetooth sensors probably in plenty places we already visit.
 
 

It would be utterly useless then, as all you have to do is turn your Bluetooth off.

[coprolite]

48 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

How does it affect the payment or amount of furlough wage you’re getting, I feel you’re also getting a wage from elsewhere? 

Like Welshbairn said. 

It might feel wrong but the govt is making furlough payments to keep businesses viable, not primarily to support workers income. It is within the spirit of the rules. 

[super_carson]

25 minutes ago, Steven W said:

I think you're right. The schools pack up for holiday late June up here so we'll probably just eek it out til they go back in August.

I personally think that if the primary schools are good to go back 1st June in England, then presumably it'd be equally 'safe' to do so up here. The kids are going to have to go back sometime, and a wee three week session prior to the holidays would be great for them. We'd also get the opportunity to see if their return leads to an upturn or not in infection rates while they're off.

But that's just my own opinion

I'm a primary teacher in Edinburgh, and while they are lots of things being looked at by the governments (probably under pressure from frustrated parents) there are just too many obstacles and I get the feeling councils and unions aren't too chuffed about the idea.  

For example, in my class I have two children with additional needs that are so severe they are 1:1 support and would be totally unable to socially distance.  If I was to say they can't come back in June then technically I would be discriminating against them due to a disability.  The younger pupils wouldn't understand social distancing, and what would happen if we allowed older pupils back?  Half classes in the morning, half in the afternoon?  How do we sort who comes when?  Would some pupils require sheltering and how do we effectively teach them at the same pace as those in class as to ensure there attainment gap doesn't wider further?  So many problems for the sake of what would only be 3 or 4 weeks.

I actually would much rather we were in school, of course.  I've had next to no feedback from the majority of families and I worry about the state of their education come August. The councils also keep putting obstacles in our way regarding how we can interact (no twitter, zoom or video calls...) and while this happened fairly quickly, the schools and councils were not prepared for distance learning.  

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 hour ago, Thereisalight.. said:

I won’t be using it as -

A - I have no more storage space on my phone for another app

 

Oh well, that'll be that then, sorry to have troubled you.

[pandarilla]

In terms of the app for tracing, presumably it will be accompanied by a team of investigators who will chap doors of those who don't have phones (old school clipboard stuff). That's what happened in Asia with similar systems, anyway.

Manpower is an issue if the numbers of new cases remains high. We need to get the numbers down to a manageable level before we can isolate any new cases.

[Billy Jean King]

What do you go to those cities for when everything is shut, a walk ???

Hopefully travelling out of town will be the first thing to be reintroduced. I’m really missing going out in the country for walks. Missing going to Glasgow and Edinburgh for a jaunt.