Todd_is_God Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: Don't get Poor Don't get Unemployed. I'd be at less risk of both if I was allowed to go to work tbh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 37 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: "Far greater numbers than average" Average of what? Do we have stats for deaths per occupation for every occupation in every city? You are also making the huge assumption here that they caught it at work which is not a given. If you are one of the minority who fall in to a vulnerable group the onus is on *you* to make a personal risk assessment and either accept the risk or adapt your lifestyle accordingly. Just like it would be during a particularly bad flu season, like 3 years ago. I thought 'a bad flu season' had been safely put to bed, as far as I'm concerned this is not a bad flu season, there's no way I'd be locked away if I thought this was just a bad flu season, nowt Sturgeon or Johnson could say would keep me in if I thought it was just like a bad flu season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: The onus absolutely is not on any individual to make a personal risk assessment For anything, ever? Absolute bollocks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ayrmad said: I thought 'a bad flu season' had been safely put to bed, as far as I'm concerned this is not a bad flu season, there's no way I'd be locked away if I thought this was just a bad flu season, nowt Sturgeon or Johnson could say would keep me in if I thought it was just like a bad flu season. There are less excess deaths currently during this epidemic than in at least 2 bad flu seasons in the last 40 odd years. You can read about them in the article i posted earlier. You are 'locked away' because of a combination of panic over a new virus that little was understood about, and nonsense models from the likes of Neil Ferguson. Edited May 12, 2020 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) Well, the 'guidance' now is to wear masks in certain circumstances. Just to recap somewhat.... On 12 th March, the government decided against tracking and tracing. They'd been asleep at the wheel, and it was too late for that. In addition, there ideology had spent years chipping away at, and privatising public services, so there were no resources immediately available to them anyway. Me ? As soon as the lockdown was announced, I looked at what I had. My hobby is messing around with cars, so I had some disposable gloves that mechanics use. Typically these cost £5 at most, for a box of 50 pairs. I also had a couple of face masks that I use, with protective glasses, when I'm scraping around under a car. So I had some kit , and wore them for shopping right from the get go. Couple of weeks in, time to get some more. With health workers crying out for PPE, where to find some ? Only place I could see was eBay. Ordered a pack of 10 masks from an eBay seller that seemed to have better feedback rating than others. That's the light blue coloured ones that you see around. Price £11.45. 8 days later the gloves arrived. Package fitted in 'Large Letter' envelope, so postage relatively small. The 'real' price' of these masks in normal circumstances, retail, I'd guestimate to be about £2, £3 max. The first one I tried , the elastic earband separated from the main mask as I put it on. Gloves.... The best I could find on eBay was a box of 50 pairs. £11.99. Gloves arrived within 3 or 4 days. Quality OK. I go for Nitrile gloves, non allergenic. My question is...., if guidance now is to wear masks, are we supposed to buy everything from eBay profiteers ? Where are we supposed to obtain the things ? Edited May 12, 2020 by beefybake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 PARKLIFE! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: For anything, ever? Absolute bollocks. Oh, silly me. That must be the dementia kicking in - I'm a bit old, and not perfectly healthy you see. Of course not for anything, you are now playing the reductio ad absurdum card. Not quite as obvious as picking up your ball and scampering home, but a de facto admission of having lost the argument. Words to ponder, kiddo. Yer standard human comes with two ears and one mouth. Maybe there's a reason for that. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, WhiteRoseKillie said: Oh, silly me. That must be the dementia kicking in - I'm a bit old, and not perfectly healthy you see. Of course not for anything, you are now playing the reductio ad absurdum card. Not quite as obvious as picking up your ball and scampering home, but a de facto admission of having lost the argument. Words to ponder, kiddo. Yer standard human comes with two ears and one mouth. Maybe there's a reason for that. What are you gibbering about? -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 You should listen twice as much as you talk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Saw this the other day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Are the govt still funding the full 80% as it looks like or is Alison Thewliss right that it's 60% from the govt and that they're expecting businesses to top up the extra 20%? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Are the govt still funding the full 80% as it looks like or is Alison Thewliss right that it's 60% from the govt and that they're expecting businesses to top up the extra 20%? No change till the end of July. Nah, I'm wrong, details not announced yet but employers expected to pay more of the share, no effect on furloughed workers. Edited May 12, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: You should listen twice as much as you talk That’s not the real reason we have 2 ears and one mouth though it’s largely down to symmetry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: No change till the end of July. Nah, I'm wrong, details not announced yet but employers expected to pay more of the share, no effect on furloughed workers. What's to stop businesses sacking those they claim they can't pay 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) Furlough scheme extended until October (though perhaps tweaks from July): Edited May 12, 2020 by RiG 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heedthebaa Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: I'm not talking about close, even physical, contact - simply the opportunity to share an open space and see the little buggers playing around. Ive been doing that for the last week 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Seems like good news. I'm fairly confident i'll be working again by July, at least in some capacity 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 22 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: You should listen twice as much as you talk 6 minutes ago, throbber said: That’s not the real reason we have 2 ears and one mouth though it’s largely down to symmetry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 34 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: There are less excess deaths currently during this epidemic than in at least 2 bad flu seasons in the last 40 odd years. You can read about them in the article i posted earlier. You are 'locked away' because of a combination of panic over a new virus that little was understood about, and nonsense models from the likes of Neil Ferguson. This virus hardly had time to build up a head of steam before we went into lockdown, I don't need to read what Ferguson wrote, I'm capable of looking at numbers and deciding it's not worth the risk to myself, another 2 or 3 weeks without lockdown and people like myself would have been overlooked for ICU over younger and or healthier individuals(quite rightly IMO). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: Im assuming given you are not young you've managed your first point pretty well until now. As for your second point, yes it would seem luck was on your side just three years ago https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/30/winter-deaths-hit-highest-level-40-years-experts-blame-ineffective/ The fact you weren't aware of that shows the role the media have played in whipping up fear over a virus we know more about now than 4 months ago. I'm 77 with underlying health issues so I guess I have managed pretty well. Of course I stopped smoking in 2012 so that must have helped. I clicked on your link and when I saw this: There were an estimated 50,100 excess winter deaths in England and Wales in 2017/18 I quickly skimmed over the rest cos I bide in Scotland. 2 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: Same in our household. So the flu vaccine is 100% effective according to our representative sample... I agree but see above. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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