Thereisalight.. Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: Interesting wee news bit on bbc Scotland. If the lockdown had started two weeks earlier then 2000 lives would have been saved in scotland. Also one of the first outbreaks was in Edinburgh nike store in February. BBC disclosure has more on iplayer I honestly didn’t know we had over 2000 deaths in Scotland so far. Last I heard it was about 1800 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 I honestly didn’t know we had over 2000 deaths in Scotland so far. Last I heard it was about 1800https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-52617895 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Some form of furlough or perhaps converting it to a targeted subsidy aimed at certain sectors will be needed as part of the exit plan. Restaurants and particularly pubs just aren't going to stand a chance when social distancing rules force them to reduce their capacity by 50-75%. Many will just decide not to bother reopening. Get it wrong and the entire sector will be annihilated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 One of the members of the Chilcott Inquiry into the war in Iraq has written an account of the Covid crisis in the U.K.https://www.iiss.org/blogs/survival-blog/2020/05/the-uk-and-covid-19It’s interesting but pretty long. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 57 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: Interesting wee news bit on bbc Scotland. If the lockdown had started two weeks earlier then 2000 lives would have been saved in scotland. Also one of the first outbreaks was in Edinburgh nike store in February. BBC disclosure has more on iplayer The Scottish government only had the ability to enforce any lockdown measures on March 25th when the powers were granted to them by UK Gov Coronavirus Bill. Two days after lockdown began! An inconvenient fact they will likely miss out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Michael W said: Some form of furlough or perhaps converting it to a targeted subsidy aimed at certain sectors will be needed as part of the exit plan. Restaurants and particularly pubs just aren't going to stand a chance when social distancing rules force them to reduce their capacity by 50-75%. Many will just decide not to bother reopening. Get it wrong and the entire sector will be annihilated. Was reading about English golf courses opening on Wednesday. No rakes in bunkers, no touching the flagpole. Seats and benches removed from courses. Foam placed in holes to stop the ball dropping into the hole, which would mean you have to reach down into the hole to remove the ball. Solo play only, unless you have someone in your own household who also plays. No scorecards. No changing rooms - change in car parks only. Nowhere to eat or drink before or after the round. You have to arrive just before your tee time, and depart immediately afterwards. No socialising with other players. No medals, no competitions. Lengthened gaps between tee times.... As much as I am keen to get back playing - in the name of actual fcuk... If pubs and restaurants have to behave like this - the next time I would even want to go to a pub or restaurant will likely be in a couple of years time. When you add in that you will likely be asked to wear a mask, by a mask wearing, glove wearing waiter, and treated like you have leprosy by anyone you don’t keep 2m or more away from, with anyone coughing being looked at like they have three heads... Just surreal. Looking forward to going for a curry and a pint - in 2022, if anywhere is left to get them. Edited May 11, 2020 by pozbaird 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 I hate not being able to use a scorecard in the pub right enough... I thought we had maybe moved away from the hysteria phase, but clearly not. Day 1 of BJ easing restrictions down south and everyone is acting like the world is about to end. Part of the plan is regional restrictions if their are break outs. With that in mind what happens in London doesn't directly affect those in Scotland. However if adverse effects are minimal the it will be comforting all the same. By the time we get to July we will have plenty info from elsewhere which shows the impact of bars and restaurants on infections. I doubt the waiter / barman will be wearing gloves. For the same reason they don't wear gloves in McDonald's or KFC - they are no more effective in that environment than regular handwashing, and changing them for every customer is not practical. And if they are wearing a mask? Who actually cares? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Was reading about English golf courses opening on Wednesday. No rakes in bunkers, no touching the flagpole. Seats and benches removed from courses. Foam placed in holes to stop the ball dropping into the hole, which would mean you have to reach down into the hole to remove the ball. Solo play only, unless you have someone in your own household who also plays. No scorecards. No changing rooms - change in car parks only. Nowhere to eat or drink before or after the round. You have to arrive just before your tee time, and depart immediately afterwards. No socialising with other players. No medals, no competitions. Lengthened gaps between tee times.... As much as I am keen to get back playing - in the name of actual fcuk... If pubs and restaurants have to behave like this - the next time I would even want to go to a pub or restaurant will likely be in a couple of years time. When you add in that you will likely be asked to wear a mask, by a mask wearing, glove wearing waiter, and treated like you have leprosy by anyone you don’t keep 2m or more away from, with anyone coughing being looked at like they have three heads... Just surreal. Looking forward to going for a curry and a pint - in 2022, if anywhere is left to get them.I work shifts and play a lot of golf at what other people would class as weird times, so I play a lot on my own anyway. Most if those other restrictions had been put on place voluntarily before the lockdown by most courses any way.In other news, Trump continues to make Johnson look like an elder statesman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Thereisalight.. said: I honestly didn’t know we had over 2000 deaths in Scotland so far. Last I heard it was about 1800 I thought we were up at 3000, might be wrong as I've stopped tracking it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, renton said: Assuming people are allowed to work while being on furlough. Otherwise it's just over half your income with all your outgoings Most people don't have the same level of outgoings by virtue of no travel to work, no pubs, restaurants, leisure etc. Which is why - leaving aside personal and family inconvenience - so many people are quite happy to see lockdown measures continue for the foreseeable while they're getting paid handily to watch Judge Judy every day. A reduction to 60% - and only from July - makes the tab that everyone will be picking up for this scheme rather more apparent to those who benefit most from it. We should be expecting a much more credible and targeted response after fully eight weeks of a lockdown than 'EVERYTHING MUST STAY IN PLACE' and if adjusting the furlough makes more people question the continued worth of these broad brush 'emergency' measures then all the better. Edited May 12, 2020 by vikingTON 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dysartrovers Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 It's not necessarily topped up. I'm on 80% and that's all I get. My partner is self employed but had only submitted 3 months tax returns by the deadline so who knows if we will get amything. If it drops to 60% we couldn't live Atm its 80% and topped up so 60% and topped up is possible for some? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, ayrmad said: I thought we were up at 3000, might be wrong as I've stopped tracking it. That’s the official figure. I still think the best indicator is the difference between the existing level of mortalities and those normally suffered over the same period in previous years. Using that measure the figure is about 50% higher. Edited May 12, 2020 by Granny Danger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 8 hours ago, renton said: Assuming people are allowed to work while being on furlough. Otherwise it's just over half your income with all your outgoings But you'd pay proportionately more tax and (for most people) NI on that 40%, would need to pay for transportation, and you'd probably spend quite a bit on lunch, snacks and other work-induced spending. So it's quite a bit over half net income with fewer outgoings, not taking into account that simply having time to do stuff yourself saves money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 8 hours ago, renton said: On the basis that TTI is useless to us above a certain R number, it probably didnt make sense putting plans in place much before has done. The health boards are all reporting their cases, but so it goes that the statistical infection rate is still too high to trace and isolate by cluster. The signal to noise figure is too low. But TTI isn't useless above a certain number unless you've accepted the herd immunity route. We are past the peak, so even doing TTI only for some cases would clearly accelerate the decline and speed up the opening up. It's just another government failure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 9 hours ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: 60% wages for free is still good if you think about it. 5 days work a week is 20% a day. 60% wages is 3 days pay for free. You only have to work 2 days a week to get your normal wages. Especially if you don't eat for the 2 days you don't get paid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 The message from Johnson about not using public transport shows just how disconnected from reality the Tories are. ”We encourage you to go to work but please have your chauffeur take you, whilst maintaining a 2m distance obviously”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 7 hours ago, pozbaird said: Was reading about English golf courses opening on Wednesday. No rakes in bunkers, no touching the flagpole. Seats and benches removed from courses. Foam placed in holes to stop the ball dropping into the hole, which would mean you have to reach down into the hole to remove the ball. Solo play only, unless you have someone in your own household who also plays. No scorecards. No changing rooms - change in car parks only. Nowhere to eat or drink before or after the round. You have to arrive just before your tee time, and depart immediately afterwards. No socialising with other players. No medals, no competitions. Lengthened gaps between tee times.... As much as I am keen to get back playing - in the name of actual fcuk... If pubs and restaurants have to behave like this - the next time I would even want to go to a pub or restaurant will likely be in a couple of years time. When you add in that you will likely be asked to wear a mask, by a mask wearing, glove wearing waiter, and treated like you have leprosy by anyone you don’t keep 2m or more away from, with anyone coughing being looked at like they have three heads... Just surreal. Looking forward to going for a curry and a pint - in 2022, if anywhere is left to get them. We are all, in so many areas of our lives, going to have to change our behaviour and run up against unexpected obstacles on a regular basis. Carrying out regular tasks and activities will have to adapt to the strictures demanded by the effort to protect against this virus. Just yesterday, my counterpart at another jail asked if she could scrounge a lift to a training course we're both attending. "No bother," I said, before realising, almost before hanging up the phone,that sitting in a car together for an hour each way doesn't exactly maintain Social Distancing. Sure, guidance says that it should be OK if we roll the windows down (P&B advice being taken nationally there), but 1. outside temperature this morning was 2 degrees. Fúck driving for an hour in that! and 2. We're both H&S Advisers, and the course is to train us to train staff in the correct use of PPE. Probably not the best example to set... Looks like she's driving herself, then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, bendan said: But TTI isn't useless above a certain number unless you've accepted the herd immunity route. We are past the peak, so even doing TTI only for some cases would clearly accelerate the decline and speed up the opening up. It's just another government failure. Well the strength of TTI lies in being able to trace and contact. That way any new cluster that pops up can be quickly isolated. Above a certain R number it becomes impossible to trace with confidence any given infection vector since the general infection rate is high enough that it all tangles together. Hence why the answer to that is to pursue isolation for everyone - lockdown. The R value has to be low enough to do two things: First, so that the infection rate does not immediately explode back up and two to allow TTI to pick up the slack. There is little value in the Trace and Isolate sections of TTI before that point. Better to spend the time building a sustainable infrastructure for it. I note that the NHS contact team jobsite is up with applications until 22nd May. So if the numbers hold and we are looking at early June when the R value in the general population drops low enough, then it all meshes together so far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 The message from Johnson about not using public transport shows just how disconnected from reality the Tories are. ”We encourage you to go to work but please have your chauffeur take you, whilst maintaining a 2m distance obviously”.The vast majority of people in England don’t use public transport to get to work. I think it’s about 20% who do and that will be even less outside of London. Not to say that it won’t be an issue but public transport is generally used far less than private cars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 38 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: The message from Johnson about not using public transport shows just how disconnected from reality the Tories are. ”We encourage you to go to work but please have your chauffeur take you, whilst maintaining a 2m distance obviously”. I think those stretch limos will be just perfect for the task. Expect to see more of them every day. ☺ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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