Gaz Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Steven W said: When you consider the hours that nurses etc in the NHS must be doing just now to get us through this, teachers getting a bit arsey about possibly doing a little extra so the kids can catch up isn't a good look Presumably you also want nurses to pay back their overtime? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Steven W said: When you consider the hours that nurses etc in the NHS must be doing just now to get us through this, teachers getting a bit arsey about possibly doing a little extra so the kids can catch up isn't a good look So you're basically saying everyone else should be prepared to do extra work for free because nurses have a difficult job? Are you going to tell your work that you're happy to fire into loads of extra work for nothing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 When you consider the hours that nurses etc in the NHS must be doing just now to get us through this, teachers getting a bit arsey about possibly doing a little extra so the kids can catch up isn't a good lookHow many hours are 'nurses etc' doing like? Do you know? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) Just for the record, I haven't actually said I'd object to doing extra work to help pupils What I would object to is being forced to do so for free. I presume yon Steven W is first in the queue when his boss is dishing out the unpaid overtime. Edited May 12, 2020 by Gaz 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: And Trident. Why don't we aim Trident at HS2? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: And there was never a time when the NHS was close to being overwhelmed. Let’s just ignore the thousands of volunteers drafted, thousands of medical professionals being asked out of retirement, nurses and doctors being drafted away from other areas to work in ICU, reports coming from the wards, the previous shortages of PPE and ventilators and the fact many people who would’ve otherwise been hospitalised were allowed to expire in care homes. Edited May 12, 2020 by The OP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Civil servants haven't had a mention yet.My sister got transferred into dealing with universal credit claims without training and has had zero time off. No PPE or even hand sanitiser.Not sure why teachers are getting such attention or more than others? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, JTS98 said: So you're basically saying everyone else should be prepared to do extra work for free because nurses have a difficult job? Are you going to tell your work that you're happy to fire into loads of extra work for nothing? No I'm saying everyone, irrespective of role should be prepared to do whatever it takes (and if doing a wee bit extra work is what's required so be it) so we all come out the other side healthy and in employment at the soonest opportunity 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gaz said: Just for the record, I haven't actually said I'd object to doing extra work to help pupils What I would object to is being forced to do so for free. I presume yon Steven W is first in the queue when his boss is dishing out the unpaid overtime. Do it fairly regularly. A wee 10 - 20 minutes every day 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 I was reading about football in Germany starting this weekend and how it may return in the UK behind closed doors within a month or so. Surely they’d need to have stewards/security outside the grounds to try and stop fans from trying to force entry into the ground, or just gathering with a carry out to listen to any cheers when there’s goals? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Steven W said: No I'm saying everyone, irrespective of role should be prepared to do whatever it takes (and if doing a wee bit extra work is what's required so be it) so we all come out the other side healthy and in employment at the soonest opportunity Extra work, fair enough. Extra work for free, not a chance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, The OP said: Let’s just ignore the thousands of volunteers drafted, thousands of medical professionals being asked out of retirement, nurses and doctors being drafted away from other areas to work in ICU, reports coming from the wards, the previous shortages of PPE and ventilators and the fact many people who would’ve otherwise been hospitalised were allowed to expire in care homes. You don't have to ignore them. Drawing on reserves and re assigning resources to different departments is not the same as being overwhelmed. At no point was any member of the public who needed medical attention at risk of not getting any. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Steven W said: Do it fairly regularly. A wee 10 - 20 minutes every day That's your choice. But your job is your job. You are being paid for your time and your work. Doing it for free is not virtuous, it's being taken advantage of. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: Civil servants haven't had a mention yet. My sister got transferred into dealing with universal credit claims without training and has had zero time off. No PPE or even hand sanitiser. Not sure why teachers are getting such attention or more than others? This sounds like the logic of an attention starved 5 year old. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Steven W said: No I'm saying everyone, irrespective of role should be prepared to do whatever it takes (and if doing a wee bit extra work is what's required so be it) so we all come out the other side healthy and in employment at the soonest opportunity So should nurses pay back their overtime? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkmenbashi Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Steven W said: Do it fairly regularly. A wee 10 - 20 minutes every day Scab 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) Jesus wept there is some pish being spouted about teachers from folk who know f**k all what they're on about. I'm a teacher, I am definitely working my contracted 35 hours a week. I'm still responsible for planning and marking as normal, added to that I'm also responsible for training some of my colleagues on how to use IT effectively, organising our website, delivering technology to children without access to IT, school improvement planning, curriculum development and cpd to name just a few tasks. Would I rather be teaching my class and actually helping them learn rather than trying to chase up kids and families who can't or won't engage with learning? Damn right I would. We do get good holidays, I won't deny that. But considering all the other crap we put with I think it's fair. Plenty other jobs have other perks, this is ours. Edited May 12, 2020 by super_carson 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, super_carson said: Jesus wept there is some pish being spouted about teachers from folk who know f**k all what they're on about. I'm a teacher, I am definitely working my contracted 35 hours a week. I'm still responsible for planning and marking as normal, added to that I'm also responsible for training some of my colleagues on how to use it effectively, organising our website, delivering technology to children without it, school improvement planning, curriculum development and cpd to name just a few tasks. Would I rather be teaching my class and actually helping them learn rather than trying to chase up kids and families who can't or won't engage with learning? Damn right I would. We do get good holidays, I won't deny that. But considering all the other crap we put with I think it's fair. Plenty other jobs have other perks, this is ours. You couldn’t pay me enough money to be a teacher. Mind you I’d be shit at it anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) I'm surprised that half the country aren't retraining as teachers considering how good we have it. I've spent one week in school during lockdown looking after key worker children, and that has been by far the best bit of the last month and a half. Sitting staring at a laptop all day is sh*te. Edited May 12, 2020 by Carl Cort's Hamstring 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: You don't have to ignore them. Drawing on reserves and re assigning resources to different departments is not the same as being overwhelmed. At no point was any member of the public who needed medical attention at risk of not getting any. Apart from lots of people (including my grandfather) who died in care homes without receiving any treatment. It was clear that a decision was made to discharge those who could be into care homes and not to readmit them to hospital if they got sick, which seems pretty callous if you are correct that the NHS was at no risk of being overwhelmed. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/perfect-storm-care-homes-residents-refused-hospital-treatment/amp/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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