Wee-Bey Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 My wee brother's ex was at the anti mask thing in Edinburgh. She's a NHS nurse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just reading that a death is only counted by PHE in the stats if it occurs within 28 days of a positive test. Is that the same up here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Yeah, PHE changed that recently so they weren't counting people who were positive months ago and died of something unrelated since.NRS stats will pick up the deaths up here after 28 days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Does it not normally take more than 28 days to die from covid though? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, MP_MFC said: Yeah, PHE changed that recently so they weren't counting people who were positive months ago and died of something unrelated since. NRS stats will pick up the deaths up here after 28 days. If someone is in hospital/ICU for more than 28 days then die does this also mean it is not counted as Covid? We are hearing stories of folk being in ICU or on ventilators for months like the Scot's guy in Vietnam. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Does it not normally take more than 28 days to die from covid though? No. They also count you if you’re still receiving treatment for covid or if covid is mentioned on death certificate.Average time from infection to death is 18 days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) No I don't think that true. Wikipedia says onset to death 2-8 weeks. Edited September 8, 2020 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: If someone is in hospital/ICU for more than 28 days then die does this also mean it is not counted as Covid? We are hearing stories of folk being in ICU or on ventilators for months like the Scot's guy in Vietnam. In England this would be counted. In Scotland it wouldn't, but would appear in the NRS stats. I don't know how common it is to be in ICU for months and then die tbh. Any story I've read mentioning that scenario the person survived (so wouldn't be counted anywhere). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, madwullie said: No I don't think that true. Wikipedia says onset to death 2-8 weeks. The single report that range is lifted from is from the 29th of February. Doesn't mean it isn't true; it's just based solely on China, and from very early on in the whole thing. Edited September 8, 2020 by Todd_is_God 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: The single report that range is lifted from is from the 29th of February. Doesn't mean it isn't true; it's just based solely on China, and from very early on in the whole thing. Yeha that's fair enough. Infection to death - 18 days seems very short though. Edited September 8, 2020 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Schools open = parents back to work = bullshit time and cover ups 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Schools open = parents back to work = bullshit time and cover upsYeah, we should lockdown indefinitely, and see what's left. The basic principles of risk management (alarp) dont apply here. We should just see what's left of a functioning society once the worlds population has been successfully vaccinated 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Armstrong has been a baller in the past. People were calling for Fleck to be called up for a few seasons now. The Mayor has been a major part of Norwich's success. Yet for Scotland they all become plodding, dense, fuckwits who can't drive forward, get into a dangerous central area, pick a forward pass and can't close down their counterparts quickly enough!? What the actual f**k man. When Clark took over I thought he'd at least get the team closing down and attacking with a higher sense of urgency, but we've fallen back into the pedestrian shit we've been treated to for years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Yeah, we should lockdown indefinitely, and see what's left. The basic principles of risk management (alarp) dont apply here. We should just see what's left of a functioning society once the worlds population has been successfully vaccinated Yeah because we're really applying the principles of risk management by deciding that firing hundreds of grotty weans under the same roof all week is not a significant transmission risk but 250 folk at a Stranraer game or playing even a recording of the devil's instruments in a pub is beyond the pale. What you actually mean is 'who cares about proportionate response to risks, just don't take away my state childminder!' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Stellaboz said: Armstrong has been a baller in the past. People were calling for Fleck to be called up for a few seasons now. The Mayor has been a major part of Norwich's success. Yet for Scotland they all become plodding, dense, fuckwits who can't drive forward, get into a dangerous central area, pick a forward pass and can't close down their counterparts quickly enough!? What the actual f**k man. When Clark took over I thought he'd at least get the team closing down and attacking with a higher sense of urgency, but we've fallen back into the pedestrian shit we've been treated to for years. Are you lost? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Armstrong has been a baller in the past. People were calling for Fleck to be called up for a few seasons now. The Mayor has been a major part of Norwich's success. Yet for Scotland they all become plodding, dense, fuckwits who can't drive forward, get into a dangerous central area, pick a forward pass and can't close down their counterparts quickly enough!? What the actual f**k man. When Clark took over I thought he'd at least get the team closing down and attacking with a higher sense of urgency, but we've fallen back into the pedestrian shit we've been treated to for years. I liked the look of number 19 for the Czech Republic. Covid I think his name was. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, virginton said: Yeah because we're really applying the principles of risk management by deciding that firing hundreds of grotty weans under the same roof all week is not a significant transmission risk but 250 folk at a Stranraer game or playing even a recording of the devil's instruments in a pub is beyond the pale. What you actually mean is 'who cares about proportionate response to risks, just don't take away my state childminder!' Actually, me and Mrs Bs work is generally flexible enough that we can look after our kids with no issues, so your generic wailing about childcare for the millionth time in this thread doesnt really apply to me. Hard lines. Risk management of course involves residual risk. In this case, a certain number of cases and even deaths is considered acceptable residual risk, and closing schools with the associated damage to children's wellbeing, and the economic fallout that would follow is not considered reasonably practicable to avoid said deaths. Evidently, stopping people going to a Stranraer game is considered reasonably practicable, because the damage done/associated cost is minimal to take that measure. IDGAF whether you think that's right or wrong. I am simply saying what is plain to see to anyone who's not an idiot. That's what's happening here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, 8MileBU said: Are you lost? Uhhh.....yes! 1 minute ago, Ron Aldo said: 9 minutes ago, Stellaboz said: Armstrong has been a baller in the past. People were calling for Fleck to be called up for a few seasons now. The Mayor has been a major part of Norwich's success. Yet for Scotland they all become plodding, dense, fuckwits who can't drive forward, get into a dangerous central area, pick a forward pass and can't close down their counterparts quickly enough!? What the actual f**k man. When Clark took over I thought he'd at least get the team closing down and attacking with a higher sense of urgency, but we've fallen back into the pedestrian shit we've been treated to for years. I liked the look of number 19 for the Czech Republic. Covid* I think his name was. Covidsky* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 22 minutes ago, Snafu said: Something that just doesn't compute with me is why so many school teachers or the carers who work in nurseries are coming down with the virus right now. Can't imagine why?? Nope! Can't be coming from the schools because according to Education Secretary Gavin Williamson 'makes it clear there is little evidence virus is transmitted' in classrooms'. So either schools are unlike any other place when it comes to a gathering of people and the virus has suddenly become selective or maybe someone is telling porkies. What do you think Scooby? Well, Shaggy... There is a third option - that this Government, yet again, are assuming that the electorate will simply believe that they're not being a set of disingeuous cúnts. Of course there's little evidence that the virus is transmitted in schools. How could there be, when the vast majority (or vast, vast majority -(c) Todd) of schools have been closed for the last five and a half months? Like Patel's crowing over the decrease in shoplifting, burglary and driving offences, the circumstances of lockdown may just conceivably have had a teeny tiny influence on things. I don't know which makes me angrier - the Tories' belief that the Great British Public will swallow any old shite, or the GBP's repeated proof that they're right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted September 8, 2020 Author Share Posted September 8, 2020 Well, Shaggy... There is a third option - that this Government, yet again, are assuming that the electorate will simply believe that they're not being a set of disingeuous cúnts. Of course there's little evidence that the virus is transmitted in schools. How could there be, when the vast majority (or vast, vast majority -© Todd) of schools have been closed for the last five and a half months? Like Patel's crowing over the decrease in shoplifting, burglary and driving offences, the circumstances of lockdown may just conceivably have had a teeny tiny influence on things. I don't know which makes me angrier - the Tories' belief that the Great British Public will swallow any old shite, or the GBP's repeated proof that they're right.I’m pretty sure that the evidence of virus transmission in schools used by the U.K. and Scottish governments came from studies in other countries rather than them saying “well there’s been no cases in schools since we closed them so they must be safe!”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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