vikingTON Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, welshbairn said: And that was just by the end of December, presumably she expected further deliveries in January. How inappropriate of the plebs to expect that the *checks notes* Cabinet Secretary for Health (and Sport) would have an accurate understanding of vaccine supply for the biggest public health/economic crisis in multiple generations, instead of havering self-congratulatory nonsense predictions and then blaming everyone else for them not being met. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 30 minutes ago, bendan said: I was thinking more that we could just do no teaching at all for the next few weeks and make it up from the holidays planned for later in the year. Even the best intentioned parents are likely to make a mess of it. Just drop the whole idea. If children need to repeat a year they can. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 41 minutes ago, bendan said: I was thinking more that we could just do no teaching at all for the next few weeks and make it up from the holidays planned for later in the year. But but wuv always hud the summer holidays -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 I was thinking more that we could just do no teaching at all for the next few weeks and make it up from the holidays planned for later in the year.With estimates due by 28 May - and they have to go through internal, external and cross-authority moderation - and schools have barely scratched the surface with assessment - that is a non-starter. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Even the best intentioned parents are likely to make a mess of it. Just drop the whole idea. If children need to repeat a year they can. I was genuinely thinking my youngest could go with repeating a year because of all this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, virginton said: How inappropriate of the plebs to expect that the *checks notes* Cabinet Secretary for Health (and Sport) would have an accurate understanding of vaccine supply for the biggest public health/economic crisis in multiple generations, instead of havering self-congratulatory nonsense predictions and then blaming everyone else for them not being met. Good to see you’ve learned from the error of your ways in referring to Leitch as the CMO and are now checking notes to get the positions right. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, doulikefish said: I do like the way that some people just think it turns up packged etc and then you just rip open the packages and start firing into to people Anyway even Stamer is now saying national lockdown for England instead of being a tory backbencher about it all I don't think anyone thinks that. But it does need to be ensured that absolutely everything in our capacity is done to ensure every possible vaccination takes place as early as it could. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 47 minutes ago, bendan said: I was thinking more that we could just do no teaching at all for the next few weeks and make it up from the holidays planned for later in the year. With estimates due by 28 May - and they have to go through, internal, external and cross-authority moderation - and schools gave barely scratched the surface with assessment - that is a non-starter. Why can't everything, including university entrance, be put back a few weeks? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Why can't everything, including university entrance, be put back a few weeks?Because edumication 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 The Pfizer spokesman was still indicating 5 million or more doses were possible by the the end of December on the day the UK approved the vaccine. Looks like they delivered less than a million. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Steven W said: I don't think anyone thinks that. But it does need to be ensured that absolutely everything in our capacity is done to ensure every possible vaccination takes place as early as it could. Yesterday you were complaining that nobody was getting the oxford jag after sky news were saying they were being delivered to hospitals so you obviously did 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 https://swprs.org/who-preliminary-review-confirms-ivermectin-effectiveness/?amp&__twitter_impression=true 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 3 hours ago, renton said: Well, no. They extended the holidays by a week to the 11th, then online earning only to the 18th at least. No way are they going to announce tomorrow that they are going back in on the 18th. Cancelling the exams seems like a bit of a masterstroke by the Welsh and Scottish Governments it will have taken a lot of pressure off them with this "missing learning" crap that the Tories are banding about. Of course by cancelling exams you also cancel the exam leave so basically extended the school term by what 4 weeks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Cancelling the exams seems like a bit of a masterstroke by the Welsh and Scottish Governments it will have taken a lot of pressure off them with this "missing learning" crap that the Tories are banding about. Of course by cancelling exams you also cancel the exam leave so basically extended the school term by what 4 weeks.Estimates need to be completed by 28 May - most LAs will want them in before that point to allow for cross-authority moderation - you are looking at the beginning of May for this to happen.There isn't an extra 4 weeks - not unless the Depute First Minister instructs SQA to shift the goalposts (again). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Yesterday you were complaining that nobody was getting the oxford jag after sky news were saying they were being delivered to hospitals so you obviously did That batch of vaccines unquestionably should have begun to be administered today. But I understand that they don't grow on trees (all the more reason to have a cohesive plan in place that doesn't result in vaccines sitting in fridges for 24 hours) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Estimates need to be completed by 28 May - most LAs will want them in before that point to allow for cross-authority moderation - you are looking at the beginning of May for this to happen. There isn't an extra 4 weeks - not unless the Depute First Minister instructs SQA to shift the goalposts (again). Surely there is still teaching that can be done once the final course work is submitted? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Looking at school (summer) holidays lengths in weeks across Europe.... Italy-14 weeks Spain-13 weeks Greece-13 weeks Finland 11 weeks Portugal-11 weeks Sweden-10 weeks Ireland-9 weeks Scotland-6 weeks (was cut to 5 this past year) So, if we take the upper numbers, Italian and Spanish pupils are on holiday for 7 or 8 weeks longer than in Scotland. (in the summer), The time for which schools used online learning between March and June was 13 weeks. Average holiday times in the rest of Europe at other times of the year are generally 2 weeks at Christmas, (same as Scotland), 2 weeks in Spring (same as Scotland), one week in autumn (generally the same as Scotland). In other words, Scotland still has among the shortest school holidays compared with Europe overall. https://eacea.ec.europa.eu/national-policies/eurydice/sites/eurydice/files/school_calendar_2018_19_final_report_0.pdf We are consistently told by governments that children have already missed too much school/education (over that 13 weeks between March-June, which equates to one term). Yet across Europe schools were also online in the March-June period, and then had their sometimes double summer holiday on top. Countries such as Finland and Sweden (with 5 weeks additional school holiday to Scotland) consistently outperform us. So,......is it still the case that educational standards would be unable to 'catch up' if schools moved online for an additional couple of weeks? when other countries with significantly shorter classroom terms don't seem to facing the same issues? I accept the fact that there remains a gap in IT provision for those with access to online learning and those without which is an important factor. (the SG said this would be addressed last summer....it hasn't been). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 27 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: https://swprs.org/who-preliminary-review-confirms-ivermectin-effectiveness/?amp&__twitter_impression=true Quick scan around google yields more negative news than positive re Ivermectin, but nothing as recent as that article. Hopefully good news 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paco Posted January 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2021 On vaccination pace thus far, it should be stressed that Scotland is first in the UK and third in the entire world in terms of vaccinations per head. Only Israel and Bahrain are ahead, and both have vaccinated more people than we have doses at the moment. This idea we’re sitting about scratching our arses is just not accurate. The problem is supply - that is hopefully in the process of being solved now. I’m doubtful it’ll hit the numbers claimed but if it does, the wider UK should be close to doing the 2m a week that is, apparently, the aim. If supplies pull through and we’re not hitting at least 100k a week by the end of January, or the other parts of the UK are vaccinating at a faster pace, let’s start getting annoyed. But right now the facts don’t back up the idea that we’re vaccinating slowly. 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Just now, Jedi said: Looking at school (summer) holidays lengths in weeks across Europe.... Italy-14 weeks Spain-13 weeks Greece-13 weeks Finland 11 weeks Portugal-11 weeks Sweden-10 weeks Ireland-9 weeks Scotland-6 weeks (was cut to 5 this past year) So, if we take the upper numbers, Italian and Spanish pupils are on holiday for 7 or 8 weeks longer than in Scotland. (in the summer), The time for which schools used online learning between March and June was 13 weeks. Average holiday times in the rest of Europe at other times of the year are generally 2 weeks at Christmas, (same as Scotland), 2 weeks in Spring (same as Scotland), one week in autumn (generally the same as Scotland). In other words, Scotland still has among the shortest school holidays compared with Europe overall. https://eacea.ec.europa.eu/national-policies/eurydice/sites/eurydice/files/school_calendar_2018_19_final_report_0.pdf We are consistently told by governments that children have already missed too much school/education (over that 13 weeks between March-June, which equates to one term). Yet across Europe schools were also online in the March-June period, and then had their sometimes double summer holiday on top. Countries such as Finland and Sweden (with 5 weeks additional school holiday to Scotland) consistently outperform us. So,......is it still the case that educational standards would be unable to 'catch up' if schools moved online for an additional couple of weeks? when other countries with significantly shorter classroom terms don't seem to facing the same issues? I accept the fact that there remains a gap in IT provision for those with access to online learning and those without which is an important factor. (the SG said this would be addressed last summer....it hasn't been). I think you only have to look at our appalling levels of child poverty combined with employers stuck in 29 days leave (if you're lucky) system them I don't think it's sensible at this time to extend holidays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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