Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[realmadrid]

1 minute ago, 101 said:

Depends what kind of flat you live in, if you have thick walls then the Bluetooth signal won't get through.

It's not a perfect app but I'm not sure how it could be fixed in a cost effective way.

I was working on that basis of switching it off when home and then on again but that messed up with my watch so I gave up.

I wonder if that would be the case with this needless and unwanted domestic passport idea. Bar the government who actually wants this?

[Wee Bully]

I never downloaded the test and protect app because I knew it was run by a bunch of charlatans. I imagine the vaccine app will be the same. 
Good luck to all the old dears who like to go to strictly come dancing shows, half of them are 75+ and I doubt could see to work a smart phone 

Wow. You are so cool.

I wish I hadn’t downloaded the app now. I totally missed the charlatans and the old dears.

Next time, tell me in advance so I can be as amazing as you!

[Am Featha Taigh Nan Clach]

37 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Have people suddenly forgotten about the small thing called the Nuremberg Code

What does that have to do with anything?

[WhaleOilBeefHucked]

11 minutes ago, realmadrid said:

But it does not work if you stay in a block of flats as it cannot determine between floors and through walls. 

I quickly removed it when the fault was reported and its never been fixed.

I will admit that my role is not a technical role and I don't work on the NHS Scotland account, but that is not a fault with the app.  Your phone GPS is used to determine your location, if you are in a block of flats and someone else had tested positive in that block then there is a chance you may have come into contact with that person.  It may have been briefly, but you could of passed them at the main door, on a landing or shared a lift with them.  It isn't perfect I will admit but I am not aware of a better way of determining someones location.

[Thereisalight..]

3 minutes ago, Am Featha *****h Nan Clach said:

What does that have to do with anything?

Well quite a lot when you consider a large % of the BAME community wont want the vaccine. All theyd need to do is mention the Nuremberg Code and theyd immediately have a leg to stand on to get into places 

[realmadrid]

2 minutes ago, munro76 said:

I will admit that my role is not a technical role and I don't work on the NHS Scotland account, but that is not a fault with the app.  Your phone GPS is used to determine your location, if you are in a block of flats and someone else had tested positive in that block then there is a chance you may have come into contact with that person.  It may have been briefly, but you could of passed them at the main door, on a landing or shared a lift with them.  It isn't perfect I will admit but I am not aware of a better way of determining someones location.

I agree no system would be fool proof. 

[craigkillie]

2 minutes ago, munro76 said:

I will admit that my role is not a technical role and I don't work on the NHS Scotland account, but that is not a fault with the app.  Your phone GPS is used to determine your location, if you are in a block of flats and someone else had tested positive in that block then there is a chance you may have come into contact with that person.  It may have been briefly, but you could of passed them at the main door, on a landing or shared a lift with them.  It isn't perfect I will admit but I am not aware of a better way of determining someones location.

Passing someone briefly in the landing would not constitute a close contact and require isolation, just like passing people in the street doesn't require you to isolate. Even being in a lift with them isn't sufficient unless it's for more than 15 minutes. Anything which identifies people living through walls from each other as being close contacts is flawed - it might be an unfixable flaw, but it's a flaw nonetheless.

My wife was pregnant during the summer, and I wouldn't have been allowed into the hospital with her for the birth if I was self-isolating, so I basically put myself in a form of voluntary self-isolation for the two weeks before the due date - or at least I wasn't going to cafes, restaurants, pubs or anywhere else I could possibly spend more than 15 minutes in close contact with someone. There was no way I was going to do all that and then get pinged because my neighbour through the wall tested positive, so I didn't install the app until after my daughter was born.

[Am Featha Taigh Nan Clach]

9 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Well quite a lot when you consider a large % of the BAME community wont want the vaccine. All theyd need to do is mention the Nuremberg Code and theyd immediately have a leg to stand on to get into places 

I think you think you've hit upon some sort of 'gotcha' content that the government have overlooked.

It does not relate to clinically tested and approved vaccinations. You could also gain access via a recent negative test, proof of antibodies from previous infection.

I'm not pro domestic vaccine passport but your claims are utter nonsense.

Edited April 4, 2021 by Am Featha Taigh Nan Clach

[Mark Connolly]

You'll need a vaccine passport to go to the FA Cup final, but feel free to pile onto all the crowded tube trains up to Wembley without one on the same day

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

1 hour ago, Gaz said:

Britain is a country of subservient, doff-your-cap-to-your-betters, craven lickspittles. It's in our DNA. If anyone thinks that the majority of folk won't be happy with these they're deluded. They'll be widely popular.

Yeap. 

I wouldn't quite put it like that, but there's no doubt at that Britons in general are submissive conformists. It wasn't always like this.....up until the 80's social unrest against unpopular governments was quite common. 

But then Thatcher's Tories and Blair's new Labour legislated the f**k out of protest, and we've become a nation that nods in approval at whatever a (normally right wing) government foists upon us. 

I posted on another thread that the UK's values are inherently conservative (small c). Part of these 'values' are believing, without question, that our government always, always, always will do what's best for us. 

 

[ayrmad]

10 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Well quite a lot when you consider a large % of the BAME community wont want the vaccine. All theyd need to do is mention the Nuremberg Code and theyd immediately have a leg to stand on to get into places 

Big Jake the bouncer will be well pissed off. 

[Glen Sannox]

28 minutes ago, HibsFan said:

Although at least back in the day, "working class tories" genuinely did have f**k all, and the party could convince them that was because of immigrants/commies/corrupt unions etc.

Nowadays, it's far pettier and weirder. These "working class tories" are far more likely to be homeowners who don't live in the big cities. They don't even mind getting shafted themselves as long as they know somebody else is getting shafted harder. If they have blue hair and are working a bar job in their third language (the metropolitan elite who are out of touch with the common man!!!) then even better.

That's why I find it laughable to suggest that left wing parties have sold out the working class, when in fact many of the "working class" are now firmly lower middle class in terms of homeownership and wages, and will happily vote Tory if it protects the value of their poorly-constructed new build and its astroturfed garden out the back.

That just reeks of anti aspiration. Surely we want people to be connected and trying to better themselves. I’m not sure about the commies/immigrant stuff, but corrupt unions have certainly done no end of damage in the UK.

[Thereisalight..]

Just now, Mark Connolly said:

You'll need a vaccine passport to go to the FA Cup final, but feel free to pile onto all the crowded tube trains up to Wembley without one on the same day

It's a mockery of a set up. An absolute farce. 

The average age of covid deaths is 84 ffs. They're acting like the demographic of festivals/gigs etc could drop down dead due to being within a half mile radius of someone with a cough. Those must vulnerable will be double dosed by late June anyway so who the hell cares if someone gets a wee cough for a day or two? Theres no justification for vaccine passports domestically 

[Marshmallo]

33 minutes ago, HibsFan said:

Although at least back in the day, "working class tories" genuinely did have f**k all, and the party could convince them that was because of immigrants/commies/corrupt unions etc.

Nowadays, it's far pettier and weirder. These "working class tories" are far more likely to be homeowners who don't live in the big cities. They don't even mind getting shafted themselves as long as they know somebody else is getting shafted harder. If they have blue hair and are working a bar job in their third language (the metropolitan elite who are out of touch with the common man!!!) then even better.

That's why I find it laughable to suggest that left wing parties have sold out the working class, when in fact many of the "working class" are now firmly lower middle class in terms of homeownership and wages, and will happily vote Tory if it protects the value of their poorly-constructed new build and its astroturfed garden out the back.

The best move the Tories have made is convincing the people you describe above that someone making 30k a year has more in common with a billionaire than they do with someone on universal credit.

[HibsFan]

4 minutes ago, Glen Sannox said:

That just reeks of anti aspiration. Surely we want people to be connected and trying to better themselves. I’m not sure about the commies/immigrant stuff, but corrupt unions have certainly done no end of damage in the UK.

I don't think I can emphasise just how dull, insular and un-aspirational a person's life/political outlook must be if their only concern is protecting the inflated, artificial value of their very cheaply-constructed house in suburbia that has a driveway and the aforementioned 3G pitch that constitutes a back garden.

No idea what your point about people being connected is meaning, because we are less connected than ever before. People don't speak to their neighbours in the same way they used to and sometimes indeed viscerally loathe them - and would happily grass them to the police in record time (something we've seen plenty of during these lockdowns btw).

[Todd_is_God]

10 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

It's a mockery of a set up. An absolute farce. 

The average age of covid deaths is 84 ffs. They're acting like the demographic of festivals/gigs etc could drop down dead due to being within a half mile radius of someone with a cough. Those must vulnerable will be double dosed by late June anyway so who the hell cares if someone gets a wee cough for a day or two? Theres no justification for vaccine passports domestically 

But that's consistent with the Government messaging throughout.

"Anyone can get it" and the rather odd SG adverts a month or so ago with absolute lard buckets being wheeled out to show that it can affect young people too.

I don't know whether this is the brainchild of a massively risk averse government, or a way of trying to take the focus off the fact they have spent a year terrifying people by massively overstating the relevant risk, hoping that by the time a year has gone by the vaccines will have reduced covid-19 to a minor illness at worst, and people won't realise.

[Glen Sannox]

7 minutes ago, HibsFan said:

I don't think I can emphasise just how dull, insular and un-aspirational a person's life/political outlook must be if their only concern is protecting the inflated, artificial value of their very cheaply-constructed house in suburbia that has a driveway and the aforementioned 3G pitch that constitutes a back garden.

No idea what your point about people being connected is meaning, because we are less connected than ever before. People don't speak to their neighbours in the same way they used to and sometimes indeed viscerally loathe them - and would happily grass them to the police in record time (something we've seen plenty of during these lockdowns btw).

That’s just people’s perception of being successful. I agree that having a poorly built, mock Tudor house in Cumbernauld doesn’t mean that one has “arrived”. I totally get where you are coming from, but we are living in a World of the aforementioned poorly constructed houses,  along with BMW’s on pcp’s and yappy little fucking dogs.

 I’m not quite sure who’s to blame for it though.

[Guest]

I think you're all being selfish, we should all just accept a lockdown until 2025 to protect pensioners and the obese.

[Mark Connolly]

3 minutes ago, Empty It said:

I think you're all being selfish, we should all just accept a lockdown until 2025 to protect pensioners and the obese.

If we wait until 2050, I could be both

[Guest]

If we wait until 2050, I could be both

Good idea and everyone should have ankle tags to make sure they're following the regime sorry rules. I'm sure the tories know someone they could give that contract to.