Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[ulysses]

Double Pfizered.

Glorious.

[Michael W]

31 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57667163

Scotland had 2000 tickets for the game, nearly one in five of the fans who had tickets have subsequently caught Covid.

 

As has been said before, this site is a bubble.  A lot of people in Scotland will be absolutely raging at this.  

Yeah, there's no point at all in denying it's caused a spike in cases, because it has. There will be a lot of anger about it. 

However it is only fair to point out that these were journeys that people were entitled to make. Efforts to stop people doing this were slim, with only really the SFA and Sadiq Khan really sticking their heads above the parapet. In that respect I don't really see how the SG has course to complain about this - any attempts to stop people travelling were half-hearted in the extreme. 

 

[Michael W]

7 minutes ago, Elixir said:

Deepti tears are the best tears.

I am sure none of these cases had anything to do with:

1) People from areas with high prevalence of covid travelling. 

2) People travelling in close proximity (tube/coach/train etc) 

3) The travelling demographic being predominately unvaccinated. 

Nope, must be the existence of the event itself. Get it right up Dr Deepti. 

 

[Todd_is_God]

12 minutes ago, badgerthewitness said:

Cheers, my point is: I think we're at the point (or close to it) where a covid positive person can inhabit a workplace without posing any significant threat to those around them & it's interesting to see it play out.

Leitch only last week said those testing positive will still need to isolate forever

But I agree with the sentiment here - if we are going to ditch restrictions on distancing and allow venues etc to operate at 100% capacity, then we can't expect this to happen alongside forcing those who test positive to isolate for 10 days. We need to roll back the testing obsession as we get back to normal, not ramp it up to obscene levels - the time for that was last April and has long gone.

By all means encourage people who are ill not to go to work, but stop pissing about pretending that people who are perfectly fine with no symptoms whatsoever are dangerous biohazards that must be isolated.

Post vaccination deployment, there is absolutely no basis for having different rules for Covid than any other respiratory virus.

[Dawson Park Boy]

34 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said:

Posted elsewhere but I visited a factory in the Borders this morning with nearly half the workforce in self isolation. 7 of their guys went to Wembley, all 7 came back with Covid. 

Are any of them ill?

[djchapsticks]

17 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said:

 

After her extended spiel the other day and harping on about how people won't listen to her and they are only interested in things that provide them 'Hopium', it looks like she now needs a massive dose of Copium.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

4 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Leitch only last week said those testing positive will still need to isolate forever

But I agree with the sentiment here - if we are going to ditch restrictions on distancing and allow venues etc to operate at 100% capacity, then we can't expect this to happen alongside forcing those who test positive to isolate for 10 days. We need to roll back the testing obsession as we get back to normal, not ramp it up to obscene levels - the time for that was last April and has long gone.

By all means encourage people who are ill not to go to work, but stop pissing about pretending that people who are perfectly fine with no symptoms whatsoever are dangerous biohazards that must be isolated.

Post vaccination deployment, there is absolutely no basis for having different rules for Covid than any other respiratory virus.

here's how i think it will be rolled back

Vaccinated contacts no longer need to isolate

vaccinated householders no longer

Vaccinated positive cases without symptom no longer

isolation for postive cases becomes advisory

International travel - depends on the lovejoy rating of your destination country 

 

[Guest]

Blue letter received this morning and 2nd jag scheduled for approximately 7 weeks after my first.

[well fan for life]

Got my letter about a second dose in a couple of weeks time. Cannae wait lads. 

Disappointed I didn't get a nosey round the mosque for dose 1 tbh. Got the bus past it thousands of times and it looks right interesting. 

[Michael W]

The Indie SAGE media personalities seem to be going after this chap, who is a member of the JVCI. 

Basically accusing him of advocating a let it rip approach. 

[dave258]

41 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said:

Having never taken a test how does this work?

Do you do the test at home and upload the result or do you have to get a test done at a test site and get an official result that way?

If it's the former then surely most didn't bother and said they were negative?

 

41 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

It's more likely they have come into contact with the virus on trains, busses and in pubs etc.

I see the media etc still struggle to grasp that someone who's immune system has recently swatted covid aside will still have detectable viral fragments in their system. They are not infected, or infectious.

Thankfully, the UK Gov (and even NS) appear to have moved on from worrying about 'cases' and are firmly focused on the arse-shoeing that the vaccines dish out to the virus.

 

27 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Or they caught it at the game, after or on the way home.

Agreed on all of these - all I was saying is that it was possible people were positive as they went into the stadium despite previous negative test. I agree its highly unlikely that Wembley itself was a large breeding ground for it.

 

The process was that you conducted the test at home, and it displays a result as 1 or 2 lines on the front (a bit like a pregnancy test, except without the pish). Each test has a QR code on it - you scan the QR code and enter your results online. NHS then send you an email/text showing you have taken a negative test. There's absolutely nothing to stop someone ripping open a test, scanning it & entering a negative result within 30 seconds - so again positive cases could have been transported into the stadium this way potentially. 

[craigkillie]

1 hour ago, ICTChris said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57667163

Scotland had 2000 tickets for the game, nearly one in five of the fans who had tickets have subsequently caught Covid.

 

As has been said before, this site is a bubble.  A lot of people in Scotland will be absolutely raging at this.  

Worth noting that although the SFA's allocation was 2000 tickets, there were also many public sale/ballot tickets available, and there would likely have been plenty more Scottish supporters in attendance with these.

[Distant Doonhamer]

3,887 new cases of COVID-19 reported (3118 yesterday)

41,710 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results

9.8% of these were positive (11.6% yesterday)

3 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive

19 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (down from 20)

235 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (up from 215)

3,799,467 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 2,712,237 have received their second dose

Edited June 30, 2021 by Distant Doonhamer

[Elixir]

25 minutes ago, Michael W said:

The Indie SAGE media personalities seem to be going after this chap, who is a member of the JVCI. 

Basically accusing him of advocating a let it rip approach. 

Robert Dingwall is one of the most grounded scientists on SAGE, who actually lives in the real world, so it's no surprise to see the fake/political SAGE weirdos chucking the toys out their pram towards him.

[Abdul_Latif]

1 minute ago, Distant Doonhamer said:

235 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (up from 215)

This reporting needs to change to “because of” or we are never going to get an honest reflection of the situation.

[Elixir]

Yup. ICU admissions continue to be flat as a pancake, with everyone in hospital regardless of root cause tested, which will mirror higher transmission levels in the community.

Was this data not supposed to be getting separated, i.e. those in hospital suffering with Covid, and those in hospital for other ailments testing positive?

[101]

51 minutes ago, MP_MFC said:

1991 cases broken down as

1294 unticketed travellers
397 at the game
55 at the fanzone
38 at the Croatia game
37 vs Czechs

With the remaining linked to either pub or hoose watching.

Having been at the fanzone I’m fairly confident in saying there would have been 0 transmission there unless you shared a table because it is so sanitised.

Would feel pretty safe to say that hardly any of these cases were caught or transmitted at any the games and would have been picked up via transport given the anecdotal stories of full bus loads being positive. Ban buses IMO.

In terms of infections since the Euros began that's a pretty small % of cases. 

[GiGi]

41k tests 

[Todd_is_God]

1 minute ago, Elixir said:

Yup. ICU admissions continue to be flat as a pancake, with everyone in hospital regardless of root cause tested, which will mirror higher transmission levels in the community.

Was this data not supposed to be getting separated, i.e. those in hospital suffering with Covid, and those in hospital for other ailments testing positive?

I suspect this will be held back until July 19th / August 9th to prevent the obvious question of "what are we waiting for?!" being hard to answer.

[D.V.T.]

Yup. ICU admissions continue to be flat as a pancake, with everyone in hospital regardless of root cause tested, which will mirror higher transmission levels in the community.
Was this data not supposed to be getting separated, i.e. those in hospital suffering with Covid, and those in hospital for other ailments testing positive?

England only I think