Elixir Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 45 minutes ago, Michael W said: Less likely to get it and of course spread it if you do. And since we are treated to a daily dose of You can still get it if you're vaccinated!!!!!!11 from the Lovejoys and Indie SAGE weirdos, another one right in the eye for them to cling onto and demand restrictions are maintained. Anti-vaxxers Kiddy-on SAGE and blue heart emoji Lovejoy weirdos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Good thing we chose to shut everyone in their houses, then! Another top win for 'public health'! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherchance Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 44 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: No one is safe until we're all safe Is the best in class IMO Images of empty stands across Scottish football because the Tanzanian vaccination programme has ground to a halt. Trite, virtue signalling nonsense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Michael W said: Less likely to get it and of course spread it if you do. And since we are treated to a daily dose of You can still get it if you're vaccinated!!!!!!11 from the Lovejoys and Indie SAGE weirdos, another one right in the eye for them to cling onto and demand restrictions are maintained. My sister (double dosed) tested positive at the weekend. There is an issue with expectations and the vaccines. Some folk think it means you must be 100% safe if you have it, you can't catch it, get ill from it and you can't die from it. Nonsense of course - it just reduces your chances of these things by about 95%. Doesn't stop the newspapers churning out fear with headlines like "Senga, aged 66, dies from Covid AFTER being vaccinated" with pictures of Senga holding a baby. I read an interesting statistic at the weekend - a double vaccinated 80 year old has the same chance of dying from covid as an unvaccinated 50 year old as age is still the determining factor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Just now, scottsdad said: My sister (double dosed) tested positive at the weekend. There is an issue with expectations and the vaccines. Some folk think it means you must be 100% safe if you have it, you can't catch it, get ill from it and you can't die from it. Nonsense of course - it just reduces your chances of these things by about 95%. Doesn't stop the newspapers churning out fear with headlines like "Senga, aged 66, dies from Covid AFTER being vaccinated" with pictures of Senga holding a baby. I read an interesting statistic at the weekend - a double vaccinated 80 year old has the same chance of dying from covid as an unvaccinated 50 year old as age is still the determining factor. Hang on, is the baby Senga's? Granny Danger been on the razzle again IMO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 If you are double dosed would the likelihood of developing a severe infection from COVID not be reduced? It's not going to make you immune to catching it just better prepared and therefore if you do get it your body will, hopefully, get it directed into the sea? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Quote Posted at 9:03 Hancock was incredibly hard-working, says justice secretary Today Programme BBC Radio 4 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Just now, RiG said: If you are double dosed would the likelihood of developing a severe infection from COVID not be reduced? It's not going to make you immune to catching it just better prepared and therefore if you do get it your body will, hopefully, get it directed into the sea? If you are double-dosed the chances of you going into hospital is near rock bottom. The likelihood of you passing it on, even if you do become 'infected', is also significantly reduced. Utter shite messaging from the 'public health experts' is the reason there is so much confusion over this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, scottsdad said: My sister (double dosed) tested positive at the weekend. There is an issue with expectations and the vaccines. Some folk think it means you must be 100% safe if you have it, you can't catch it, get ill from it and you can't die from it. Nonsense of course - it just reduces your chances of these things by about 95%. Doesn't stop the newspapers churning out fear with headlines like "Senga, aged 66, dies from Covid AFTER being vaccinated" with pictures of Senga holding a baby. I read an interesting statistic at the weekend - a double vaccinated 80 year old has the same chance of dying from covid as an unvaccinated 50 year old as age is still the determining factor. Serious illness and death appears to be reduced by significantly more than 95%. Aside from that, I agree. Vaccines are not foolproof, nor were they ever designed to be but they have done almost all heavy lifting that has reduced the effects to extremely mild in all but a small handful of cases. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, Elixir said: Something something, being hard at work... At this point, the Tories really do write their own punchlines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 18 minutes ago, scottsdad said: My sister (double dosed) tested positive at the weekend. There is an issue with expectations and the vaccines. Some folk think it means you must be 100% safe if you have it, you can't catch it, get ill from it and you can't die from it. Nonsense of course - it just reduces your chances of these things by about 95%. Doesn't stop the newspapers churning out fear with headlines like "Senga, aged 66, dies from Covid AFTER being vaccinated" with pictures of Senga holding a baby. I read an interesting statistic at the weekend - a double vaccinated 80 year old has the same chance of dying from covid as an unvaccinated 50 year old as age is still the determining factor. I fully agree with you. I also wish your sister a swift recovery. We were told at the start that the first generation vaccines would not end Covid and that an efficacy of over 50% would be a huge achievement. That several vaccines demonstrated an efficacy well above this therefore represents a miracle. The current UK case rates are real world evidence that they work as well. We were also aiming for these vaccines to basically prevent death and serious illness, rather than stop covid: that was the baseline aim. But the usual suspects keep shifting the goalposts. You've been double jagged, but you can still get it - restrictions must stay. Every death is a avoidable (Deepti Gurdasani). Nothing is enough for them and they will continue to kick and scream to prevent a return to normality. You can still get it, variants, children are getting it and spreading it (but let's not vaccinate them coz reasons), we don't know how long protection lasts. They will never, ever, let go. We know some people will still get it and expected as much. We now have vaccines that achieve more than we had ever imagined for a first set, but this isn't enough seemingly. It's a disgrace that we've allowed the goalposts to be shifted in this manner. The vaccines work, they are doing a better job than we expected. Yes they do not entirely remove the possibility of getting covid, but they weren't expected to and are also highly effective at the two most important things, preventing death and hospitalisations. It's the narrative more than anything else that pisses me off. Always an excuse for the media personalities (the words of Sir Dave King, not me) to keep themselves in the limelight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 17 hours ago, Hedgecutter said: Well that's my favourite restaurant in Aberdeen just announced that it's permanently closing it's doors because of the continued restrictions, after 30 successful years. Gutted. John Lewis cafe imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Despite the headline, this is some good analysis, as ever, from Nick Triggle. Quote Analysis Posted at 10:29 An early unlocking unlikely for England Nick Triggle Health Correspondent An early full unlocking is almost certainly not going to happen, but ministers in England are increasingly confident 19 July will mark the end of social distancing restrictions. The talk is all about encouraging data. But with infection levels climbing rapidly how can that be? The key is in the picture emerging with hospital cases and deaths. Copyright: BBC When the delay to full unlock was announced, infection levels had just started rising and could within weeks reach January levels. The concern among government scientists was this could translate to high levels of serious illness that could even at a stretch overwhelm the NHS. The past few weeks have provided confidence that is not going to be the case despite the rapid rises still being seen. While hospital cases and deaths are rising, they are at a much much lower level than before. Copyright: BBC Latest estimates for the infection fatality rate show the ratio of infections to deaths is 20 times lower than it was in the winter wave. Just 0.08 of cases result in a death. That is better than the experts expected and illustrates just how important the vaccines have been. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Sneezing like mad the day with a runny nose and the first thing my work say is - do a covid test, nothing do with the high pollen levels and the grass at work being cut this morning at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Tynierose said: I'm having a splendid time so far in Yorkshire, everywhere is packed. Folk having a good time, restaurants busy as are all attractions. Great to see. Give us a wave if you're passing - M1 J39ish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tynierose said: Haha very good, I'm currently working on a disguise to get into deepest Lancashire next week. Don't want to upset Nikki and Jase. The Yorkshire/Lancashire rivalry amuses me - I assumed it was a mutual dislike of equals before checking a map and realise its more like David Rappaport having beef with Andre the Giant. The English are fucking weird sometimes. Edited June 28, 2021 by WhiteRoseKillie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philpy Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, gav-ffc said: Sneezing like mad the day with a runny nose and the first thing my work say is - do a covid test, nothing do with the high pollen levels and the grass at work being cut this morning at all. Same here. After years of putting up with hayfever, I know what's what. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, gav-ffc said: Sneezing like mad the day with a runny nose and the first thing my work say is - do a covid test, nothing do with the high pollen levels and the grass at work being cut this morning at all. Glad it’s not just me today - went outside and my eyes felt like they exploded. Long time since I’ve had it as bad as this. I was at a wedding over the weekend - masks binned before it started and any semblance of distancing went as well. Only 16 people there but it was superb. Surprisingly the symptoms of a weekend wedding aftermath are very similar to COVID… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Tbf not even Detournement would take it seriously. Well....He probably wrote it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Controlled opposition m8, everyone knows that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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