Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[madwullie]

17 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

With all respect, it may be published (somewhere) daily, but it's not reported upon.

Here's The Herald's.....pause for gasps and sighs....'live blog', with headline 'More than 500 new cases in Scotland in just two days'.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18724117.coronavirus-scotland-recap-500-new-cases-recorded-just-two-days/

I've looked through it, and while I see the numbers of new cases and deaths, I see nothing that contextualises these statistics. In fact, the headline itself...'in just two days'...is already prejudicial and designed to sensationalise the number of positive cases.

I didn't watch BBC Scotland or STV tonight, but I've no doubt at all that they've reported statistics and not context.

All of it creates the impression that this is a killer disease running out of control. No wonder half of the over 50's are scared to go out the door (also a Herald story).

Ultimately that's the fault of the press, not the government or some shady dark them that the lockdownphobes seem to think are driving this deliberate fear mongering 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Ultimately that's the fault of the press, not the government or some shady dark them that the lockdownphobes seem to think are driving this deliberate fear mongering 

Have to agree with this - modern TV news programmes are much more tabloidy in their approach - you can see some stories are deliberately sensationalised to grab the viewers' attention - it's part of the general dumbing down of information for the goldfish public.

 

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

1 hour ago, madwullie said:

Ultimately that's the fault of the press, not the government or some shady dark them that the lockdownphobes seem to think are driving this deliberate fear mongering 

 

44 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Have to agree with this - modern TV news programmes are much more tabloidy in their approach - you can see some stories are deliberately sensationalised to grab the viewers' attention - it's part of the general dumbing down of information for the goldfish public.

 

I agree with both these posts. The media reporting of this isn't always helping people make reasoned decisions. 

[Bairnardo]

Have to agree with this - modern TV news programmes are much more tabloidy in their approach - you can see some stories are deliberately sensationalised to grab the viewers' attention - it's part of the general dumbing down of information for the goldfish public.  

Outlets like the BBC that folk still think are credible have long since started firing random folks tweets and shit into actual news stories. It's an absolute minter.

[s_dog]

12 hours ago, Paco said:

So in summary, if you’re being tested anywhere except from Glasgow Airport you should get a result without much issue in Scotland (it happens, obviously, but looks like virtually all are within 48hrs). In England? Honestly, it’s a lottery. Of Tuesday’s announced English cases, more than half were from last week. 25% were four days old, and 16% were five days old. There was even 4% a full week old meaning you’re just as likely to get a result within 24 hours as you are a week.

Johnson promised all results within 24 hours by the end of June, for some context. And I haven’t even mentioned the fact that media investigations are showing it’s impossible to get a test in the top 10 English hotspots, so what’s going to happen to figures over the next week or so? Shockingly they’ll all come tumbling down.

It really can’t be stressed enough how much of a disaster this is. We’ll have absolutely no idea if current measures are working because the data is essentially wildly wrong.

 

And we're in this position because while the Gov have been continually talking up the testing capability*, the fact is, since they increased them back in June & July, there hasn't been any increase until just a couple of weeks ago. In the meantime infections have been rising and their labs have been running towards the top end of their capacity since early August. There have been growing numbers of tests (mainly from home tests and care home testing) that are taking days to get any results, if any at all.  Source: 

 

So until they get the testing capacity probably sorted, you are spot on, it's a complete disaster. 

* a sham as within the figures of say 170,000 daily tests, only half that are the number of people actually tested, plus they have a back-log of something like 180,000 tests, have been sending tests off to labs in Europe to get processed as they can't cope.  Additionally, while they have been boasting of having a testing capacity of over 300,000 a day, that fully capacity hasn't been anywhere near fully used, and now that the number of people wanting tests is going up, they are having a go at people for getting tested when they don't really need to and have now admitted there's a bit of a bottleneck. 

Edited September 16, 2020 by s_dog
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[Paco]

A 10pm curfew on pubs and a complete ban on socialising with anyone not in your household is coming to the North East of England. Expected to be announced tomorrow, coming into effect on Friday.

Surely - SURELY - we’re not going to have Newcastle (72 cases per 100k) under tighter restrictions than Bolton (235 cases per 100k!), Blackburn (135), Liverpool (115) and so on. Newcastle is in fact 31st in the English list, and nowhere in the North East features in the top 20.

[D.A.F.C]

Said it a week or so ago, I think this is inevitable and pretty terrible tbh.
Workplaces, education and travel restrictions plus shielding back on. Pubs and restaurants daytime hours with takeaway options.
Lockdown light over winter, hopefully get to visit family at Christmas if cases go down.
Hope im wrong and that things improve.

[Bairnardo]

A 10pm curfew on pubs and a complete ban on socialising with anyone not in your household is coming to the North East of England. Expected to be announced tomorrow, coming into effect on Friday.

Surely - SURELY - we’re not going to have Newcastle (72 cases per 100k) under tighter restrictions than Bolton (235 cases per 100k!), Blackburn (135), Liverpool (115) and so on. Newcastle is in fact 31st in the English list, and nowhere in the North East features in the top 20.

Meanwhile, 1000 fans are going to the Riverside this weekend

[Aufc]

Seems a bit daft that i cant go see my old man and my brother at the same time but i can go and play eleven a side fitbaw with 21 other guys.

[Aubrey Maturin]

3 minutes ago, Aufc said:

Seems a bit daft that i cant go see my old man and my brother at the same time but i can go and play eleven a side fitbaw with 21 other guys.
 

It's almost as if they're making it up as they go along....

[welshbairn]

12 minutes ago, Aufc said:

Seems a bit daft that i cant go see my old man and my brother at the same time but i can go and play eleven a side fitbaw with 21 other guys.
 

Who's going to stop you? They've issued general guidelines to try and reduce transmission with no means of enforcing them unless you really take the pish. It's up to you to interpret them with some common sense.

Edited September 16, 2020 by welshbairn

[Bert Raccoon]

4 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Who's going to stop you?

CoVid Police 

[Aufc]

Who's going to stop you?

Was a hypothetical situation to be honest. I have no plans to go see them. I do have potential plans to go to my mates back garden at the weekend for a few drinks (there will be 3-4 households). Might have been a better example to use in hindsight

[Binos]

12 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Who's going to stop you? They've issued general guidelines to try and reduce transmission with no means of enforcing them unless you really take the pish. It's up to you to interpret them with some common sense.

No it's not

[welshbairn]

5 minutes ago, Aufc said:

 

Was a hypothetical situation to be honest. I have no plans to go see them. I do have potential plans to go to my mates back garden at the weekend for a few drinks (there will be 3-4 households). Might have been a better example to use in hindsight

 

Well there's a fair difference between drinking and chatting with 20 odd people for several hours and running past them at full pelt on a football pitch. It's still up to you unless you make a racket and the neighbours dob you in.

[Empty It]

Who's going to stop you? They've issued general guidelines to try and reduce transmission with no means of enforcing them unless you really take the pish. It's up to you to interpret them with some common sense.

The local facebook mothers will have you on their local community page.

[Miguel Sanchez]

1 hour ago, D.A.F.C said:

Said it a week or so ago, I think this is inevitable and pretty terrible tbh.
Workplaces, education and travel restrictions plus shielding back on. Pubs and restaurants daytime hours with takeaway options.
Lockdown light over winter, hopefully get to visit family at Christmas if cases go down.
Hope im wrong and that things improve.

Don't say that, if there's a chance christmas is cancelled I'm all over it.

[Robin.Hood]

1 hour ago, D.A.F.C said:

Said it a week or so ago, I think this is inevitable and pretty terrible tbh.
Workplaces, education and travel restrictions plus shielding back on. Pubs and restaurants daytime hours with takeaway options.
Lockdown light over winter, hopefully get to visit family at Christmas if cases go down.
Hope im wrong and that things improve.

Yet supermarkets will be hoaching. Can imagine people being told to stand outside as so many are allowed in at a time in the pishing rain and lovely cold weather 

[Szamo's_Ammo]

Just 100 more sleeps xox

[vikingTON]

1 hour ago, Paco said:

A 10pm curfew on pubs and a complete ban on socialising with anyone not in your household is coming to the North East of England. Expected to be announced tomorrow, coming into effect on Friday.

Surely - SURELY - we’re not going to have Newcastle (72 cases per 100k) under tighter restrictions than Bolton (235 cases per 100k!), Blackburn (135), Liverpool (115) and so on. Newcastle is in fact 31st in the English list, and nowhere in the North East features in the top 20.

When in doubt a useless government will always push the 'blame pubs' button, despite them telling anyone who'd listen that they don't actually know where the virus is.

Who had 'two weeks' on the sweep for how long it would take full-time schooling across the UK to completely obliterate the country's virus control and testing capacity (the two of course being linked)? It's almost as if that was a terrible idea all along.